<p dir="ltr">Josh: Yes<br>
Jim: Yes<br>
Tobias: Yes<br>
Michael: <br>
Matt:<br>
Andrew: <br>
Fabio:</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 16, 2015 5:24 PM, "Tobias" <<a href="mailto:tobias.gondrom@owasp.org">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div>Update: <br>
      As operational effectiveness was my main worry and Paul just sent
      an email stating that he does not see any problems from our team
      on this item, I hereby change my vote to "Yes." (in support of the
      posted text). <br>
      <br>
      Best regards, Tobias<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 17/10/15 00:13, Tobias wrote:<br>
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      <div>Josh, <br>
        <br>
        I am surprised that you see a problem of waiting for 3 days to
        give people the chance to raise their points. <br>
        I recognise that you are not friendly to the amendment,
        therefore we shall resolve your motion first. <br>
        <br>
        I hereby vote "No". <br>
        (As I said I am friendly to the principle, but I think that my
        alternate proposal text is more useful. And I am sorry that you
        feel it would be splitting hairs and harmful. Therefore, I vote
        "No" now and hope we can use the other proposal text for a
        motion after this vote.)<br>
        <br>
        Best regards, Tobias<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        Ps.: after this vote is closed we can then talk about my
        proposal as a new item: <br>
        If a request for funding has been approved for one chapter or
        project, then it can be considered an acceptable expense for all
        chapters or projects. Our operations team will, based on the
        list of filed approved expenses, update the list of recommended
        expenses at least once every three months with new classes of
        expenses as they arise. If a chapter or project has an account
        balance which covers that expense in full, then items identical
        to the ones on the pre-approved list should be considered
        pre-approved for spending. <br>
        <br>
        <br>
        <br>
        On 16/10/15 23:30, Josh Sokol wrote:<br>
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              <div>Tobias,<br>
                <br>
              </div>
              The full proposal has been under discussion since I
              originally sent it on 9/24.  While officially motioned and
              seconded at the OWASP Board Meeting on 9/25, you pulled
              "Parliamentary Procedure" to table it for further
              discussion.  Jim resurrected that discussion immediately
              after and while much of that fell into a blackhole due to
              the mailing list issues, I took the feedback for this
              specific initiative and copied it into a separate
              discussion thread <a href="http://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-board/2015-October/016223.html" target="_blank">here</a>
              on 10/9.  So, for you to tell me that we require three
              additional days, when we have already had just short of a
              month worth of discussion already, I'm not sure I
              understand.  If we were making progress, then that would
              be one thing, but as you stated in the meeting, you very
              clearly feel like this proposal is extra effort (I do not)
              and that we should continue to utilize the same broken
              process that we have in the past.  <br>
              <br>
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            In all fairness here, I made the motion on 10/13 (3 days
            ago) and it was seconded by Jim on 10/13 (3 days ago).  I
            stated that unless there was anything new to add, then I
            voted "Yes".  Jim voted "Yes" as well.  You responded with
            "I can not see a point in voting now via email, if the next
            board meeting is within a day. This is a waste of time."  It
            was not discussed at the Board meeting so my motion shall
            resume.  There has been almost a month worth of time for
            comments on this.  Unless you have an alternative wording to
            propose instead, then the discussion has been had and we
            need to vote.  <br>
            <br>
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          ~josh<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:15 PM,
            Tobias <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tobias.gondrom@owasp.org" target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
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                <div>Josh, <br>
                  <br>
                  we see eye to eye. We may not be of the same opinion.
                  ;-) <br>
                  <br>
                  But frankly at this moment, this is not my problem. <br>
                  I simply noted that during the meeting we did run out
                  of discussion time and there was the proposal to table
                  this item for raising questions or discussion instead
                  of voting on it. That was accepted with no objection.
                  Therefore, like to understand whether there is further
                  need for discussion before I call for a vote. I think
                  your email calling for a vote is noted and we should
                  give people a chance to raise their questions or
                  discuss before we initiate the vote. As during the
                  board meeting a timeline of 3 days was mentioned. <br>
                  <br>
                  Therefore I note your request to re-open the motion. I
                  appreciate that it has been seconded. <br>
                  By who to remember me for the record? <br>
                  I suggest to give us three days to raise questions or
                  discuss unless all members are good to vote
                  immediately. <br>
                  <br>
                  Best regards, Tobias
                  <div>
                    <div><br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      On 16/10/15 22:55, Josh Sokol wrote:<br>
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                          <div>Tobias,<br>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          It is clear that we do not see eye-to-eye on
                          how this process should work.  This discussion
                          has already consumed much of two Board
                          meetings already, has been had offline as
                          well, and it's time to move forward.  No
                          additional discussion is going to convince me
                          otherwise at this point, and it appears
                          likewise, so in light of this we follow our
                          process.  I would merely remind you that Paul
                          has already voiced that he believes there are
                          sufficient controls in place that this would
                          not be an issue.  The motion has been made and
                          seconded.  Two votes have been cast in favor. 
                          Please provide yours.<br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        ~josh<br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at
                          3:23 PM, Tobias <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tobias.gondrom@owasp.org" target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span>
                          wrote:<br>
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                              <div>Josh, <br>
                                we did not table this item during the
                                meeting for the purpose to go directly
                                to voting. Otherwise we could have done
                                so immediately. My understanding was
                                that more discussion was needed on this
                                at our next meeting in 3 weeks. <br>
                                Best regards, Tobias
                                <div>
                                  <div><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    On 16/10/15 21:50, Josh Sokol wrote:<br>
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                                    <div dir="ltr">
                                      <div>Since this item was tabled
                                        and not voted on at the Board
                                        meeting, since there does not
                                        seem to be a unanimous consensus
                                        on how this proposal should
                                        work, and since the motion has
                                        already been made and seconded
                                        (with two votes in favor), I
                                        would ask that all Board members
                                        record their votes in this
                                        e-mail thread.  Thank you.<br>
                                        <br>
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                                      ~josh<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed,
                                        Oct 14, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Tobias
                                        <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tobias.gondrom@owasp.org" target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                            <div>I can not see a point
                                              in voting now via email,
                                              if the next board meeting
                                              is within a day. <br>
                                              This is a waste of time. <br>
                                              Best regards, Tobias<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Ps.: Even though I agree
                                              with the overall idea, I
                                              feel like several concerns
                                              on this have been ignored
                                              resulting in a bad
                                              proposal. I will likely
                                              need to vote no and motion
                                              for an alternative text. <br>
                                              <div>
                                                <div> <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  On 14/10/15 03:30, Jim
                                                  Manico wrote:<br>
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                                                  <div>I vote yes.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <div>--</div>
                                                    <div>Jim Manico</div>
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                                                    3:06 AM, Josh Sokol
                                                    <<a href="mailto:josh.sokol@owasp.org" target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>>



                                                    wrote:<br>
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                                                        <div>I believe
                                                          that we've
                                                          already had
                                                          the
                                                          discussion. 
                                                          Unless there
                                                          is anything
                                                          new that
                                                          someone would
                                                          like to add, I
                                                          would like to
                                                          request a
                                                          vote.  I will
                                                          vote "Yes".<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                        ~josh</div>
                                                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                        <div class="gmail_quote">On

                                                          Tue, Oct 13,
                                                          2015 at 7:39
                                                          PM, Jim Manico
                                                          <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org" target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>I second
                                                          this motion.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>--</div>
                                                          <div>Jim
                                                          Manico</div>
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                                                          On Oct 14,
                                                          2015, at 2:36
                                                          AM, Josh Sokol
                                                          <<a href="mailto:josh.sokol@owasp.org" target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>>




                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <p dir="ltr">I
                                                          would like to
                                                          motion that we
                                                          approve
                                                          Proposal 6 of
                                                          the funding
                                                          proposal
                                                          presented at
                                                          the last Board
                                                          meeting:</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">If

                                                          a request for
                                                          funding has
                                                          been approved
                                                          for one
                                                          chapter or
                                                          project, then
                                                          it can be
                                                          considered an
                                                          acceptable
                                                          expense for
                                                          all chapters
                                                          or projects. 
                                                          If they have
                                                          an account
                                                          balance which
                                                          covers that
                                                          expense in
                                                          full, then
                                                          they should be
                                                          considered
                                                          pre-approved
                                                          for spending.</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">Second?</p>
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