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    Yup. But I see this as something non-critical. We can go through
    this process over email. <br>
    <br>
    I think a better use of board meeting time is to reserve that time
    for discussions that we <i><b>need</b></i> to discuss in person.
    This is not one of them, IMO.<br>
    <br>
    Aloha,<br>
    Jim<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/13/15 6:59 AM, Tobias wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hm. I could send out a motion on the
        board list for this proposal. <br>
        <br>
        But practically this time, I think it is more efficient and
        faster to raise this motion at the board meeting tomorrow
        (Wednesday). First, we can not simply move to voting on this
        without some discussion wait time. So the board meeting will
        happen before that wait time expires anyway. And if no
        discussion is needed for this change, this can simply be voted
        within a minute. (And if there is discussion it should be
        clarified or tabled for later discussion on the list and brought
        up again at the following meeting.)<br>
        <br>
        Best regards, Tobias<br>
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        <div>I'd vote for it as well. Call the vote and let's do this.<br>
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          On Oct 13, 2015, at 4:53 AM, Matt Konda <<a
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            <div dir="ltr">I support reducing maximum terms from 8 years
              to 6 years per the language Tobias recommended.
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              <div>Personally, I would like to see this proposed and
                voted electronically since we have 5/7 recorded as
                supportive in this thread.</div>
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              <div>Matt</div>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:30 PM,
                Josh Sokol <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                wrote:<br>
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                    <div>I generally like this proposal and am inclined
                      to vote "yes" if so motioned.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
                          color="#888888"><br>
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                    <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">~josh<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at
                          8:10 AM, Andrew van der Stock <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                          wrote:<br>
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                            <div dir="ltr">All boards need renewal and
                              to ensure long term survival of the
                              organisation. With such a wide field of
                              candidates last year and this year, we do
                              not have any problems in recruiting new
                              blood for the board, but that new blood
                              may be held back by folks who have been
                              here a long while and using their prior
                              incumbency to gain a slot that might deny
                              new ideas for OWASP that we might
                              otherwise miss out on. 
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                              <div>I think three terms in 10 years is
                                okay if towards the top of my
                                expectations. I am actually quite okay
                                with the idea of two terms in 10 years
                                as we only have 7 Directors. The maximum
                                number of directors would 7 * 5 = 35
                                directors in total, and realistically,
                                most of us will go for a second term and
                                even a third term, which reduces it to 7
                                * 5 / 2 = lets call it 18 directors in
                                10 years with two terms, and possibly as
                                low as 7 * 5 / 3 = 12 directors with
                                everyone maxing out their three terms. I
                                am not sure a max of three terms is
                                healthy, as if everyone affected by this
                                rule tapers off at once, there will be a
                                period every few years with many new
                                directors, and few experienced
                                directors. </div>
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                              <div>Willing to discuss further. If the
                                majority agree on three terms I am still
                                very likely to vote yes, and of course,
                                to take effect once the 2015 elections
                                have been finalised. <br>
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                                <div>thanks</div>
                                <span><font color="#888888">
                                    <div>Andrew</div>
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                                  <div>On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:42 PM,
                                    Jim Manico <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                        <div>I personally think this is
                                          a great idea and of course
                                          should not effect current
                                          elections to be fair to Tom.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div>--</div>
                                          <div>Jim Manico</div>
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                                              PM, Tobias <<a
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                                              <div> <font face="Arial">Hello

                                                  dear community, <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  I like to raise a
                                                  thought about term
                                                  limits defined in our
                                                  bylaws and how to
                                                  encourage more board
                                                  member rotation in the
                                                  future, strengthening
                                                  our governance and
                                                  bringing new blood in
                                                  the organisation. <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Last month, I had a
                                                  very interesting
                                                  discussion with the
                                                  chair and some board
                                                  members of ISC2 and
                                                  they are currently
                                                  moving to a more
                                                  restrictive way of
                                                  term limits to
                                                  encourage new board
                                                  members and rotation
                                                  to improve oversight.
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Our current OWASP
                                                  bylaws state in
                                                  section 2.02<br>
                                                  "An individual is
                                                  limited to 4
                                                  consecutive 2 year
                                                  terms"<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  I like to put this in
                                                  context of other
                                                  organisations like
                                                  ISC2 bylaws: <br>
                                                  In the past they had
                                                  "No member may be
                                                  elected to the Board
                                                  more than twice in any
                                                  seven year period. "
                                                  (Their term is for
                                                  3years.). They noticed
                                                  a problem with people
                                                  staying on very long
                                                  after a one year break
                                                  and hindering renewal
                                                  of the board. So they
                                                  are now moving towards<b>
                                                    "Service as a
                                                    Director may not
                                                    exceed six years in
                                                    any ten year period"</b><b>.
                                                  </b><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  I had a longer
                                                  conversation with
                                                  several ISC2 directors
                                                  and I think this is a
                                                  good idea and move, to
                                                  enhance governance,
                                                  democratic processes
                                                  and bring in new
                                                  people with new ideas
                                                  (and avoid that the
                                                  same people continue
                                                  to sit on the board
                                                  for too long). As you
                                                  know many democratic
                                                  elected presidents
                                                  have term limits. The
                                                  US president being a
                                                  good example. <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  I think we should
                                                  consider to as well
                                                  strengthen our bylaws
                                                  in that regard and
                                                  make ourselves more
                                                  open and encouraging
                                                  for new blood on the
                                                  board. <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <b>=> My proposal
                                                    idea would be to
                                                    adjust section 2.02
                                                    of our bylaws to
                                                    state: </b><b><br>
                                                  </b></font><font
                                                  face="Arial"><font
                                                    face="Arial">"An
                                                    individual is
                                                    limited to 3
                                                    consecutive 2 year
                                                    terms and serving as
                                                    a Director may not
                                                    exceed six years in
                                                    any ten year
                                                    period."<br>
                                                  </font><br>
                                                  Please note: Naturally
                                                  this change could not
                                                  affect the currently
                                                  ongoing board
                                                  elections (as they are
                                                  already in progress),
                                                  so it would take
                                                  effect only going
                                                  forward for all new
                                                  upcoming elections. <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  What are your thoughts
                                                  on this? <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Best regards, Tobias<br>
                                                  <br>
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                                                  Tobias Gondrom<br>
                                                  Chairman OWASP Global
                                                  Board<br>
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                                                  skype: tgondrom<br>
                                                  twitter: @tgondrom<br>
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