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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I agree. with the view. <br>
      But practically, I think Fabio is correct in point this out. <br>
      The current proposal text is already so detail descriptive about
      it by saying to the "board", which makes it hard to delegate it.
      We could just say to the OWASP foundation (instead of "board").
      Which would then give our operations team the flexibility to
      handle this. <br>
      <br>
      Best regards, Tobias<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 11/10/15 19:07, Josh Sokol wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAFwvDeyDu+7+p7niy8+RVWrLyGD48y2KG_m2_p_UY+MFOtnjwA@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div>+1, Michael.  Let the operations team handle the process. 
          <br>
          <br>
        </div>
        ~josh<br>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 10:57 AM,
          Michael Coates <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:michael.coates@owasp.org" target="_blank">michael.coates@owasp.org</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div>Sounds like a procedural detail we can iron out
                later. We don't want a high level policy to lock us in
                to any specific technology approach or we'll have to
                update the policy just to switch from an email approach
                to a form. </div>
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                    On Oct 11, 2015, at 8:51 AM, Fabio Cerullo <<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:fcerullo@owasp.org" target="_blank">fcerullo@owasp.org</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                    <div>Thanks Josh. My concern is that not everyone
                      could send mails to the owasp-board list and some
                      requests could get lost in the mix.
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>I would suggest changing the paragraph below
                        to send all requests via the contact us form? </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="https://www.tfaforms.com/308703"
                          target="_blank">https://www.tfaforms.com/308703</a></div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>There is a dropdown on that form and we could
                        create a category ‘budget’.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>That way everything is captured and is easy
                        to follow for Ops/Board.</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Regards,</div>
                      <div><br>
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                              <div>Fabio Cerullo</div>
                              <div>Global Board Member</div>
                              OWASP Foundation
                              <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="https://www.owasp.org"
                                  target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org</a></div>
                              <div>Join me at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                  target="_blank">AppSecUSA 2015</a> in
                                San Francisco!</div>
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                            <div>On 11 Oct 2015, at 4:29 p.m., Josh
                              Sokol <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:josh.sokol@owasp.org"
                                target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>>
                              wrote:</div>
                            <br>
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                              <div dir="ltr">
                                <div>Yes, the idea is that the Board is
                                  then able to use that data to make
                                  informed decisions with respect to the
                                  following years budget.  Sending to
                                  the Board list is sufficient.  Or the
                                  Chair.  Or the ED.  As long as the
                                  Board gets it.  Feel free to write up
                                  a process for it if you feel so
                                  inclined.<br>
                                  <br>
                                </div>
                                ~josh<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 11,
                                  2015 at 9:04 AM, Fabio Cerullo <span
                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:fcerullo@owasp.org"
                                      target="_blank">fcerullo@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                    <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Guys
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Are we sure we want to ask
                                        leaders to send the budget to
                                        the Board as currently stated? </div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>If so what would be the
                                        process? Would it be sufficient
                                        to send an email to the board
                                        list?</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>Just want to make sure
                                          there is a process behind it
                                          like funding requests:</div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Funding"
                                          target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Funding</a></div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Regards,</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
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                                              <div>Fabio Cerullo</div>
                                              <span>
                                                <div>Global Board Member</div>
                                                OWASP Foundation
                                                <div><a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.owasp.org/" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org</a></div>
                                              </span>
                                              <div>Join me at <a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://2015.appsecusa.org/" target="_blank">AppSecUSA 2015</a> in
                                                San Francisco!</div>
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                                            <br>
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                                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                                <div>On 10 Oct 2015, at
                                                  5:15 p.m., Michael
                                                  Coates <<a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michael.coates@owasp.org" target="_blank">michael.coates@owasp.org</a>>
                                                  wrote:</div>
                                                <br>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">
                                                    <div>Yea from me as
                                                      well. </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      On Oct 10, 2015,
                                                      at 7:53 AM, Andrew
                                                      van der Stock <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vanderaj@owasp.org" target="_blank">vanderaj@owasp.org</a>>
                                                      wrote:<br>
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                                                        <div dir="ltr">With
                                                          Dec 1, I vote
                                                          yes.</div>
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                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Sat, Oct 10,
                                                          2015 at 7:23
                                                          AM, Josh Sokol
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:josh.sokol@owasp.org"
                                                          target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>I vote
                                                          "Yes".<span><font
color="#888888"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </font></span></div>
                                                          <span><font
                                                          color="#888888">~josh<br>
                                                          </font></span></div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Fri, Oct 9,
                                                          2015 at 11:19
                                                          AM, Tobias <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tobias.gondrom@owasp.org"
                                                          target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>I think
                                                          that is a good
                                                          idea. <br>
                                                          Best, Tobias
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 09/10/15
                                                          17:42, Josh
                                                          Sokol wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Yes,
                                                          Andrew, I
                                                          think that we
                                                          vote on this
                                                          with the
                                                          forward-thinking
                                                          model, but
                                                          revise the
                                                          dates (or
                                                          provide
                                                          guidance to
                                                          the Ops Team
                                                          to do so) for
                                                          2016 planning
                                                          so that the
                                                          Leaders have
                                                          more time. 
                                                          Maybe give
                                                          them until
                                                          December 1
                                                          this year
                                                          instead?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          ~josh<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Fri, Oct 9,
                                                          2015 at 6:56
                                                          AM, Andrew van
                                                          der Stock <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vanderaj@owasp.org" target="_blank">vanderaj@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">I
                                                          *will* vote
                                                          for this as we
                                                          need to get
                                                          the chapters
                                                          to establish
                                                          great plans
                                                          for the cash
                                                          held in their
                                                          names, but I
                                                          do not like
                                                          retrospective
                                                          dates. Could
                                                          we move the
                                                          dates forward
                                                          to take effect
                                                          after we
                                                          complete our
                                                          vote? If so, I
                                                          will vote
                                                          yes. <span><font
color="#888888">
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Andrew</div>
                                                          </font></span></div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Fri, Oct 9,
                                                          2015 at 1:47
                                                          PM, Jim Manico
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org"
                                                          target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Seconded<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>--</div>
                                                          <div>Jim
                                                          Manico</div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Global

                                                          Board Member</span></div>
                                                          <span
                                                          style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">OWASP

                                                          Foundation</span>
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href="https://www.owasp.org/"
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target="_blank"><font>https://www.owasp.org</font></a></div>
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                                                          style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Join

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                                                          On Oct 9,
                                                          2015, at 3:04
                                                          AM, Josh Sokol
                                                          <<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:josh.sokol@owasp.org" target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>>

                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>I would
                                                          like to motion
                                                          that we
                                                          approve
                                                          proposal 8 of
                                                          the funding
                                                          initiative
                                                          discussed at
                                                          the last Board
                                                          meeting.  The
                                                          exact wording
                                                          is as follows:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="margin-left:40px">
                                                          <b>Chapters
                                                          and projects
                                                          with $5,000 or
                                                          more in their
                                                          account on
                                                          October 1 are
                                                          required to
                                                          create a
                                                          budget and
                                                          provide it to
                                                          the OWASP
                                                          Board prior to
                                                          November 1 for
                                                          inclusion in
                                                          the Foundation
                                                          budget for the
                                                          following
                                                          calendar
                                                          year.  The
                                                          budget should
                                                          identify how
                                                          they plan to
                                                          spend the
                                                          money in their
                                                          account over
                                                          the course of
                                                          the next
                                                          year.  A
                                                          future
                                                          projection
                                                          budget can be
                                                          included as
                                                          well for
                                                          forecasted
                                                          spending
                                                          within the
                                                          next 2 years.</b></div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Do I hear a
                                                          second?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          ~josh<br>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br>
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                                                          mailing list</span><br>
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                                                        <span>Owasp-board
                                                          mailing list</span><br>
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