<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>My vote is "Confidence" for Fabio to remain on the board.<br><br><div>--</div><div>Jim Manico</div><div><div apple-content-edited="true" class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Global Board Member</span></div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">OWASP Foundation</span><div class=""><a href="https://www.owasp.org/" class="" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color="#000000">https://www.owasp.org</font></a></div></div></div><div class=""><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Join me at <a href="http://appsecusa.org/" target="_blank" class="">AppSecUSA</a> 2015!</span></div></div></div><div><br>On Aug 18, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Josh Sokol <<a href="mailto:josh.sokol@owasp.org">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>No motion should be necessary as the Bylaws specify that a vote is automatically initiated.  Board, the Bylaws specify:<br><br><i>Failure by a board member to meet the 75% attendance requirement after any tabulation will cause a mandatory vote of confidence by the remaining board members, whose votes will be publicly recorded.  An overall vote of "no confidence" is recorded if half or more of the board members vote for it, which causes the board member in question to be instantly removed from their seat on the board.</i><br><br></div>As already stated, Fabio has fallen below the minimum 75% attendance and a mandatory vote of confidence is necessary.  Please provide your vote of "CONFIDENCE" or "NO CONFIDENCE" for Fabio's participation on the Board.<br><br></div>~josh<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Jim Manico <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org" target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    The vote is mandatory per bylaws. Let's do it.<br>
    <b><br>
    </b><b>I move we vote to decide whether to remove Fabio from the
      board per our bylaws. Any second?</b><br>
    <br>
    <i>Failure by a board member to meet the 75% attendance requirement
      after any tabulation will cause a mandatory vote of confidence by
      the remaining board members, whose votes will be publicly
      recorded.  An overall vote of "no confidence" is recorded if half
      or more of the board members vote for it, which causes the board
      member in question to be instantly removed from their seat on the
      board.<br>
      <br>
    </i>Does anyone second this request to vote?<br>
    <br>
    Thank you all,<br>
    Jim<br>
    <br>
    PS: When it comes back to me, my vote is NO do NOT remove Fabio from
    the board.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 8/18/15 4:22 AM, Fabio Cerullo
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      Hi,
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>There are a few boards members that are in the verge
        of non-compliance with the 75% attendance so I think we need to
        review that requirement at the next Board meeting.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>To my view, this requirement is in place if a board
        member is not engaged in his/her duties… I believe all current
        board members are quite active and dedicate countless of hours
        to the Foundation. </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Out of the 3 times I missed the meetings, 2 of them
        were at midnight which unfortunately I couldn't attend.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>If the Board believes a vote is needed under the
        current bylaws I’m fine with it.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Thanks,</div>
      <div><br>
        <div>
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              <div>Fabio Cerullo</div>
              <div>Global Board Member</div>
              OWASP Foundation
              <div><a href="https://www.owasp.org" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org</a></div>
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          <blockquote type="cite">
            <div>On 17 Aug 2015, at 04:55, Andrew van der Stock
              <<a href="mailto:vanderaj@owasp.org" target="_blank">vanderaj@owasp.org</a>>
              wrote:</div>
            <br>
            <div>
              <div dir="ltr">As noted above, the pain needs to
                be shared around. I've made more than my fair share of
                unsociable board times, including 4 am and 5 am
                meetings. I don't expect 100% attendance under those
                circumstances, as there's no good time for all of us,
                and I am sure with missing two board meetings this year,
                I am perilously close to hitting that 75% mark as well.
                That said, as long as the unsociable hours done for me
                and Jim for the rest of the year, there's no reason why
                I will not be at the rest of the Board meetings this
                year. 
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>thanks</div>
                <div>Andrew</div>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 8:24
                  PM, Tobias <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tobias.gondrom@owasp.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:tobias.gondrom@owasp.org" target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
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                      <div>I agree. <br>
                        <br>
                        We could make changes if the board wants. <br>
                        <br>
                        My mean reason is that we now have a much more
                        global board and that finding time slots that
                        are ok for most is not always easy. Equally, I
                        would not want us to discriminate board members
                        from other regions just because the timezone is
                        making attending very hard. <br>
                        Technically, there have been board meetings for
                        some participants (from Hawaii, Australia and
                        Asia) at times like 6:00am, midnight, 1:00am
                        (and at the beginning of the year also two times
                        I believe also at 4:00am Australia time). <br>
                        We try our best to find good times and to spread
                        the pain more equally, but it is not always
                        easy. <br>
                        <br>
                        Maybe the 75% mark is a bit high considering the
                        global distribution of our board. <br>
                        And/or we change from "must" to "may". <br>
                        <br>
                        Up to what the board and community feels is
                        tolerable. <br>
                        <br>
                        Just a thought. <br>
                        <br>
                        Best, Tobias
                        <div>
                          <div><br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            On 15/08/15 03:29, Jim Manico wrote:<br>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <div>Well said Paul. I do not think
                              a forced vote is necessary. I agree with
                              your suggestion that we change the bylaws
                              on this.<br>
                              <br>
                              <div>--</div>
                              <div>Jim Manico</div>
                              <div>
                                <div>
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                                    <div><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Global Board Member</span></div>
                                    <span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">OWASP Foundation</span>
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                              On Aug 14, 2015, at 5:34 AM, Paul Ritchie
                              <<a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank">paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a>>

                              wrote:<br>
                              <br>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote type="cite">
                              <div>
                                <div dir="ltr">Hi All:    I
                                  double checked the policy on the 75%
                                  Rule we just approved back in May of
                                  this year, and it does allow some
                                  flexibility.
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>However, the wording
                                    does say "<i>Failure by a
                                      board member to meet the 75%
                                      attendance requirement after any
                                      tabulation will cause a mandatory
                                      vote of confidence....." </i></div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Personally, as we make
                                    other changes to bylaws, I would
                                    recommend we change this to<i style="text-decoration:underline"> "...may cause a vote..."</i>
                                       This will give the Board
                                    flexibility to have a off-line,
                                    profession talk with anyone missing
                                    a few board meetings 'first', before
                                    going to a vote.</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>So, for now, we can add
                                    this to the Sept. board agenda under
                                    "house keeping", and simply
                                    "acknowledge the attendance gap,
                                    with a legitimate explanation".<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>I think we all recognize
                                    and greatly appreciate the work
                                    Fabio is doing on behalf of OWASP,
                                    so a change to the wording of the
                                    bylaws may be the best path forward.<br>
                                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                            <div>
                                              <div dir="ltr">
                                                <div>Best
                                                  Regards, Paul Ritchie</div>
                                                <div>OWASP
                                                  Executive Director</div>
                                                <div><a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank">paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a> </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri,
                                        Aug 14, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Josh
                                        Sokol <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:josh.sokol@owasp.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:josh.sokol@owasp.org" target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                            <div>I will admit
                                              that the last meeting time
                                              was inconvenient for me as
                                              well, but the the idea was
                                              to spread around the pain
                                              of meeting times.  Andrew
                                              and Jim have suffered
                                              through early and late
                                              meeting times as well.  It
                                              is not a big deal, and is
                                              almost expected, that you
                                              will miss a meeting or
                                              two.  That is OK.  But I'm
                                              not sure you can say "It
                                              was at midnight" for the
                                              February and March
                                              meetings that were missed
                                              as well and I think that
                                              was Jim's point.  Right
                                              now, you are OK, as long
                                              as you make the remaining
                                              meetings this year.  If
                                              you don't, then a vote
                                              COULD be taken to remove
                                              you.  That said,
                                              considering you aren't
                                              running for re-election,
                                              I'm not sure what the
                                              point would be in removing
                                              you so close to the end of
                                              your term anyway.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                </font></span></div>
                                            <span><font color="#888888">~josh<br>
                                              </font></span></div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at
                                                  5:04 AM, Jim Manico <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org" target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                    <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Fabio,<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      I was in the
                                                      process of
                                                      updating the board
                                                      attendance when I
                                                      noticed this. <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wpaOCBP-qrnde0sLiglDMJOUCtse6oB-zf3ONCkWgZk/edit?pli=1#gid=6" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wpaOCBP-qrnde0sLiglDMJOUCtse6oB-zf3ONCkWgZk/edit?pli=1#gid=6" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wpaOCBP-qrnde0sLiglDMJOUCtse6oB-zf3ONCkWgZk/edit?pli=1#gid=6</a><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      I do not blame you
                                                      for missing
                                                      meetings at
                                                      midnight. We might
                                                      want to revisit
                                                      this policy since
                                                      the board is so
                                                      global.<span><br>
                                                        <pre cols="72">-- 
Jim Manico
Global Board Member
OWASP Foundation
<a href="https://www.owasp.org/" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org</a>
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                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                      </span>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>On
                                                          8/13/15 10:37
                                                          PM, Fabio
                                                          Cerullo wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite"> Jim,
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Thanks
                                                          for checking
                                                          my attendance
                                                          to the Board
                                                          meetings. </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>The
                                                          meeting this
                                                          week was at
                                                          midnight
                                                          (Irish time)
                                                          based on the
                                                          schedule
                                                          published:</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Board#tab=Agenda_for_2015_Meetings" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Board#tab=Agenda_for_2015_Meetings" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Board#tab=Agenda_for_2015_Meetings</a></div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I’m
                                                          afraid cannot
                                                          attend during
                                                          those hours so
                                                          will
                                                          appreciate if
                                                          the times
                                                          could be
                                                          reviewed?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Please
                                                          don’t worry
                                                          about the next
                                                          one, I will be
                                                          in San
                                                          Francisco time
                                                          zone (PST).</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Regards,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          <div>Fabio
                                                          Cerullo</div>
                                                          <div>Global
                                                          Board Member</div>
                                                          OWASP
                                                          Foundation
                                                          <div><a href="https://www.owasp.org/" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://www.owasp.org" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org</a></div>
                                                          <div>Join
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                                                          San Francisco!</div>
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                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div>On
                                                          13 Aug 2015,
                                                          at 22:30, Jim
                                                          Manico <<a href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org" target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>>


                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>Fabio,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Your
                                                          attendance to
                                                          OWASP Board
                                                          meetings in
                                                          2015 dropped
                                                          to 62%
                                                          yesterday
                                                          which puts you
                                                          under the
                                                          required 75%
                                                          per our
                                                          bylaws.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          If you attend
                                                          every other
                                                          board meeting
                                                          this year, you
                                                          will be at
                                                          exactly 75%
                                                          attendance,
                                                          your minimum
                                                          required
                                                          attendance.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          If you miss
                                                          another
                                                          meeting, you
                                                          are NOT
                                                          immediately
                                                          removed from
                                                          the board. It
                                                          requires a
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                                                          FYI,<br>
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