+1<div>We already have the project summit which is great.</div><div>We are also trying to revive the "season of code" after a 7-year hiatus.</div><div>Let's have more great <span></span>ideas!</div><div><br></div><div>Kostas</div><div><br><br>On Saturday, April 25, 2015, johanna curiel curiel <<a href="mailto:johanna.curiel@owasp.org">johanna.curiel@owasp.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I think we need to sit down and think of a yearly plan for projects.<div><br></div><div>That means , a complete approach on how to motivate , sponsor , support, and maintain project initiatives.</div><div><br></div><div>Most activities around projects have been ad-hoc, and driven by little planning.</div><div><br></div><div>we should think of activities on a yearly base that we would like to organise (such as summer of code ,summits etc)</div><div><br></div><div>A complete program for projects, so they can be nurtured and be able to grow</div><div><br></div><div>Clear rules and conditions for participation are important in order to have clear expectations </div><div><br></div><div>regards</div><div><br></div><div>Johanna</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Matt Tesauro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','matt.tesauro@owasp.org');" target="_blank">matt.tesauro@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">It should also be noted that OWASP hasn't done an event like the Summer of Code over 6 years.  How many projects keep going without any attention for 6+ years.  Chapters have face to face interaction on a monthly/quarterly basis.  The same is not true for projects.  Project leadership can be a rather lonely business.<div><br></div><div>I find it ironic that I'm currently working on a new release of OWASP WTE as I type this - which grew out of the OWASP LIve CD,  a project with direct lineage to the 2008 SoC.</div><div><br></div><div>Yeah, OWASP WTE will now be producing packaged AppSec tools in both .deb and .rpm formats:</div><div><a href="https://github.com/mtesauro/owasp-wte/commit/defb42ecb0cf5d652fcdfb9bb1608fb94048e017" target="_blank">https://github.com/mtesauro/owasp-wte/commit/defb42ecb0cf5d652fcdfb9bb1608fb94048e017</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers!</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div>--<br>-- Matt Tesauro<br>OWASP WTE Project Lead<br><a href="http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project" target="_blank">http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project</a><br><a href="http://AppSecLive.org" target="_blank">http://AppSecLive.org</a> - Community and Download site<div>OWASP OpenStack Security Project Lead<div><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_OpenStack_Security_Project" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_OpenStack_Security_Project</a></div></div></div></div><div><div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Jim Manico <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jim.manico@owasp.org');" target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div><span></span></div><div><div>Another note is that if you look at all the projects this 250,000k$ funded in 2008...</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_of_Code_2008" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_of_Code_2008</a></div><div><br></div><div>...most are now dead projects.</div><div><br></div><div>We do good at getting projects started but do poorly in bringing these projects to maturity.</div><div><br></div><div>I really want us to make a big impact. I suggest we focus in on our flagship and lab projects with big potential. I'd hate to fund dozens of projects (again) that just die on the view a few years after getting funding.</div><span><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br><div>--</div><div>Jim Manico</div><div>@Manicode</div><div><a href="tel:%28808%29%20652-3805" value="+18086523805" target="_blank">(808) 652-3805</a></div></div><div><br>On Apr 25, 2015, at 4:32 AM, Jason Li <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jason.li@owasp.org');" target="_blank">jason.li@owasp.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div></span><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Josh,<div><br></div><div>I'm a little late to this thread, but I just wanted to point out that it is NOT the first time OWASP would be running this type of initiative ourselves. As an organization, we ran seasons of code for many years prior to Google accepting our application to participate in Google Summer of Code:</div><div><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Autumn_Of_Code_2006" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Autumn_Of_Code_2006</a> ($34,000 budget)<br></div><div><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Spring_Of_Code_2007" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Spring_Of_Code_2007</a> ($117,500 budget)<br></div><div><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_of_Code_2008" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_of_Code_2008</a> ($100,00 budget)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Obviously the organization budget and expenses have changed a lot since then. Those events were done back when Paulo and Kate were the only paid employees of OWASP and before chapters and projects had their own budgets. We've obviously grown a lot since then, and the goals are different this time around. But as an organization, we do have some history running this type of initiative ourselves. </div><div><br></div><div>-Jason</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Josh Sokol <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','josh.sokol@owasp.org');" target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div> I would like to see a couple of changes:<br><br>1) 
I'm not sure it makes sense to use $30k of the project funding for this 
one initiative.  It consumes 60% of the funding for a far smaller 
percentage of our active projects.  OWASP also has no history with 
running this initiative ourselves so I would prefer to limit our 
exposure here the first time around.  I would rather see us allocate 
$12,000, roughly 25% of the overall budget allocated to projects.  This 
burns our budget for one quarter, but leaves sufficient budget for the 
rest of the year.  It is enough to fully fund 8 students at the 
$1500/student price tag which seems like a reasonable place for us to 
start this initiative.  If the initiative is successful, then I would consider increasing the funding when budgeting for next year.<br><br>2) I have not seen any stipulation here stating that projects must use their project funds before being able to 
use Foundation funds.  This is a requirement for all chapters using 
community engagement funding and should apply equally to the projects.  Saying that project a with money can buy additional slots is not the same thing as saying that they need to use their funds first.  If we all agree that funds are allocated to be spent, not saved, then I see no reason why projects with funds should not be encouraged to spend funds in their account first and foremost.<br><br>I fully support the initiative, but would like to see these limitations placed on it before voting yes on it.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888">~josh<br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Fabio Cerullo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fcerullo@owasp.org');" target="_blank">fcerullo@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Hi</div><div><br></div><div>I fully endorse this initiative and think is aligned with our mission and strategic goals.</div><div><br></div><div>I appreciate the comments regarding the budgeting and we could lower them to a level which everyone feels comfortable with.. What about 10 slots at USD 1500 each.. Total budget USD 15000</div><div><br></div><div>Paul, I think the proposal by Kostas supports that approach. Any project leader could decide to get an additional slot/s by using their project funds. The only clarification is that Summer of Code is about 'code' so the documentation projects are out of scope.</div><div><br></div><div>Is everyone satisfied with the overall contents of the proposal? Can we bring this to a vote by the Board and move forward?</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks Kostas for putting this together.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Fabio</div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div><div><br>On 20 Apr 2015, at 14:39, Paul Ritchie <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','paul.ritchie@owasp.org');" target="_blank">paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Josh, all:<div><br></div><div>So you are suggesting that a couple of the well funded Projects like AppSensor, OpenSAMM, ZAP, etc., could make a decision to 'sponsor' a student under the Summer of Code program to the tune or $1500 or $3000 or whatever they wanted to contribute.  And, they could ensure that those funds were used on student work benefiting their project.</div><div><br></div><div>I like that approach.  Funded projects support their own work effort, and then the Foundation could support other high-value student proposals that focus on new projects or under-funded projects.</div><div>Paul</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Best Regards, Paul Ritchie</div><div>OWASP Interim Executive Director</div><div><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','paul.ritchie@owasp.org');" target="_blank">paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a></div><div><br></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Josh Sokol <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','josh.sokol@owasp.org');" target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I think we should treat it like we do the chapters.  If a project has money in their account, then they are not eligible for Foundation funds until that money has been allocated.  I'd also agree that $30k of unbudgeted funds is a lot to spend like this considering I don't see any reason to hurry here.  It literally means robbing another budgeted project in order to account for this.  That said, I support the idea, in concept.  Maybe the projects with some money can front it for their slots, the Foundation can use this as an experiment for our own program, and we can see how it goes.  Minimal risk with a high reward and we can budget for more next year?<span><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888">~josh<br></font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Tobias <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tobias.gondrom@owasp.org');" target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div>Well, I don't know. <br>
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      IMHO the criteria should be based on quality of proposal and bang
      for the buck for OWASP. <br>
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      incubator/lab/flagship seems not so useful. E.g. if we get three
      good in one category, I would not see a point selecting one from
      another one just to serve all categories. <br>
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      Cheers, Tobias<div><div><br>
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      On 20/04/15 19:49, johanna curiel curiel wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">>Not
          sure we need to split this in incubator/lab/flagship
          categories. </span><br>
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        <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Tobias, this
            could be a option If we would like to provide a fair chance
            to all project categories. Woudl you suggest other criteria
            for selection?</span></div>
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        <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">cheers</span></div>
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        <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Johanna</span></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Tobias
          <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tobias.gondrom@owasp.org');" target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span>
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              <div>3 x 2500USD sounds reasonable. <br>
                <br>
                Not sure we need to split this in incubator/lab/flagship
                categories. <br>
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                Best, Tobias
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                    On 20/04/15 19:39, johanna curiel curiel wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Consider maybe a small pilot with 3
                      types of projects:
                      <div>1 Incubator, 1 LAB, 1 Flagship</div>
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                      <div>Do a pre selection of the most active on each
                        category  and then select at random the
                        participating one.</div>
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                      <div>just an idea</div>
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                      <div>Total for the pilot 9,000USD (3 x 3000USD) or</div>
                      <div>USD2500x 3 = 7500USD</div>
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                      <div>regards</div>
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                      <div>Johanna</div>
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                        2:21 PM, Jim Manico <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jim.manico@owasp.org');" target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span>
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                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> A
                            suggestion. Because this is the first time
                            OWASP is directly funding this initiative,
                            can we start with a smaller financial
                            amount, measure success, and then consider
                            larger funding next year? I want to see how
                            we do first and would feel more comfortable
                            with a smaller experiment. <br>
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                            - Jim
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                                <div>On 4/19/15 8:27 AM, Konstantinos
                                  Papapanagiotou wrote:<br>
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                                          <div>Dear board,<br>
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                                          Following recent conversations
                                          I would like to formally
                                          submit a proposal for the
                                          OWASP Summer of Code Sprint,
                                          requesting a budget of
                                          $30,000.<br>
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                                        <div>The details of the proposal
                                          can be found here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FTC-zh__i6ft6uyZRw4rZHxOA44U6T7i33r8RkN0AXk/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FTC-zh__i6ft6uyZRw4rZHxOA44U6T7i33r8RkN0AXk/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
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                                        I believe that such initiatives
                                        are important for our mission as
                                        they combine project
                                        contributions and reaching out
                                        to students who are future
                                        developers.<br>
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                                      Looking forward to your comments,<br>
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