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    Matt,<br>
    <br>
    I know of folks still using OWASP WTE. :) Great work and thank you
    for putting some love back into that project.<br>
    <br>
    So a polite counterpoint to even my own earlier comments - even some
    old unmaintained projects are of great value today. I still use
    Webscarab side-to-side with Zap.<br>
    <br>
    Aloha,<br>
    Jim<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/25/15 9:35 AM, Matt Tesauro wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CALKUk+PCPnXP+MD0Zz1_zc=603EQtfan_=ocQNZi+yd_qtGf-g@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">It should also be noted that OWASP hasn't done an
        event like the Summer of Code over 6 years.  How many projects
        keep going without any attention for 6+ years.  Chapters have
        face to face interaction on a monthly/quarterly basis.  The same
        is not true for projects.  Project leadership can be a rather
        lonely business.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I find it ironic that I'm currently working on a new
          release of OWASP WTE as I type this - which grew out of the
          OWASP LIve CD,  a project with direct lineage to the 2008 SoC.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Yeah, OWASP WTE will now be producing packaged AppSec tools
          in both .deb and .rpm formats:</div>
        <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/mtesauro/owasp-wte/commit/defb42ecb0cf5d652fcdfb9bb1608fb94048e017">https://github.com/mtesauro/owasp-wte/commit/defb42ecb0cf5d652fcdfb9bb1608fb94048e017</a><br>
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        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Cheers!</div>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
        <div>
          <div class="gmail_signature">--<br>
            -- Matt Tesauro<br>
            OWASP WTE Project Lead<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project"
              target="_blank">http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project</a><br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://AppSecLive.org"
              target="_blank">http://AppSecLive.org</a> - Community and
            Download site
            <div>OWASP OpenStack Security Project Lead
              <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_OpenStack_Security_Project"
                  target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_OpenStack_Security_Project</a></div>
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        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Jim
          Manico <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org" target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="auto">
              <div><span></span></div>
              <div>
                <div>Another note is that if you look at all the
                  projects this 250,000k$ funded in 2008...</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_of_Code_2008"
                    target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_of_Code_2008</a></div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>...most are now dead projects.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>We do good at getting projects started but do
                  poorly in bringing these projects to maturity.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>I really want us to make a big impact. I suggest we
                  focus in on our flagship and lab projects with big
                  potential. I'd hate to fund dozens of projects (again)
                  that just die on the view a few years after getting
                  funding.</div>
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                  </div>
                  <div>Regards,<br>
                    <div>--</div>
                    <div>Jim Manico</div>
                    <div>@Manicode</div>
                    <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="tel:%28808%29%20652-3805"
                        value="+18086523805" target="_blank">(808)
                        652-3805</a></div>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                    On Apr 25, 2015, at 4:32 AM, Jason Li <<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:jason.li@owasp.org" target="_blank">jason.li@owasp.org</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <br>
                  </div>
                </span>
                <div>
                  <div class="h5">
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                        <div dir="ltr">Josh,
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>I'm a little late to this thread, but I
                            just wanted to point out that it is NOT the
                            first time OWASP would be running this type
                            of initiative ourselves. As an organization,
                            we ran seasons of code for many years prior
                            to Google accepting our application to
                            participate in Google Summer of Code:</div>
                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Autumn_Of_Code_2006"
                              target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Autumn_Of_Code_2006</a>
                            ($34,000 budget)<br>
                          </div>
                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Spring_Of_Code_2007"
                              target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Spring_Of_Code_2007</a>
                            ($117,500 budget)<br>
                          </div>
                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_of_Code_2008"
                              target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_of_Code_2008</a>
                            ($100,00 budget)<br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Obviously the organization budget and
                            expenses have changed a lot since then.
                            Those events were done back when Paulo and
                            Kate were the only paid employees of OWASP
                            and before chapters and projects had their
                            own budgets. We've obviously grown a lot
                            since then, and the goals are different this
                            time around. But as an organization, we do
                            have some history running this type of
                            initiative ourselves. </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>-Jason</div>
                        </div>
                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 22, 2015
                            at 8:31 AM, Josh Sokol <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:josh.sokol@owasp.org"
                                target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>></span>
                            wrote:<br>
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                                <div> I would like to see a couple of
                                  changes:<br>
                                  <br>
                                  1) I'm not sure it makes sense to use
                                  $30k of the project funding for this
                                  one initiative.  It consumes 60% of
                                  the funding for a far smaller
                                  percentage of our active projects. 
                                  OWASP also has no history with running
                                  this initiative ourselves so I would
                                  prefer to limit our exposure here the
                                  first time around.  I would rather see
                                  us allocate $12,000, roughly 25% of
                                  the overall budget allocated to
                                  projects.  This burns our budget for
                                  one quarter, but leaves sufficient
                                  budget for the rest of the year.  It
                                  is enough to fully fund 8 students at
                                  the $1500/student price tag which
                                  seems like a reasonable place for us
                                  to start this initiative.  If the
                                  initiative is successful, then I would
                                  consider increasing the funding when
                                  budgeting for next year.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  2) I have not seen any stipulation
                                  here stating that projects must use
                                  their project funds before being able
                                  to use Foundation funds.  This is a
                                  requirement for all chapters using
                                  community engagement funding and
                                  should apply equally to the projects. 
                                  Saying that project a with money can
                                  buy additional slots is not the same
                                  thing as saying that they need to use
                                  their funds first.  If we all agree
                                  that funds are allocated to be spent,
                                  not saved, then I see no reason why
                                  projects with funds should not be
                                  encouraged to spend funds in their
                                  account first and foremost.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  I fully support the initiative, but
                                  would like to see these limitations
                                  placed on it before voting yes on it.<span><font
                                      color="#888888"><br>
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                                    </font></span></div>
                                <span><font color="#888888">~josh<br>
                                  </font></span></div>
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                                <div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Mon,
                                    Apr 20, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Fabio
                                    Cerullo <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:fcerullo@owasp.org"
                                        target="_blank">fcerullo@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                    wrote:<br>
                                  </span>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
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                                          <div>Hi</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>I fully endorse this
                                            initiative and think is
                                            aligned with our mission and
                                            strategic goals.</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>I appreciate the comments
                                            regarding the budgeting and
                                            we could lower them to a
                                            level which everyone feels
                                            comfortable with.. What
                                            about 10 slots at USD 1500
                                            each.. Total budget USD
                                            15000</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Paul, I think the
                                            proposal by Kostas supports
                                            that approach. Any project
                                            leader could decide to get
                                            an additional slot/s by
                                            using their project funds.
                                            The only clarification is
                                            that Summer of Code is about
                                            'code' so the documentation
                                            projects are out of scope.</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Is everyone satisfied
                                            with the overall contents of
                                            the proposal? Can we bring
                                            this to a vote by the Board
                                            and move forward?</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Thanks Kostas for putting
                                            this together.</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Regards,</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>Fabio</div>
                                          <div><br>
                                            Sent from my iPhone</div>
                                          <div>
                                            <div>
                                              <div><br>
                                                On 20 Apr 2015, at
                                                14:39, Paul Ritchie <<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank">paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a>>
                                                wrote:<br>
                                                <br>
                                              </div>
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                                                <div>
                                                  <div dir="ltr">Hi
                                                    Josh, all:
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>So you are
                                                      suggesting that a
                                                      couple of the well
                                                      funded Projects
                                                      like AppSensor,
                                                      OpenSAMM, ZAP,
                                                      etc., could make a
                                                      decision to
                                                      'sponsor' a
                                                      student under the
                                                      Summer of Code
                                                      program to the
                                                      tune or $1500 or
                                                      $3000 or whatever
                                                      they wanted to
                                                      contribute.  And,
                                                      they could ensure
                                                      that those funds
                                                      were used on
                                                      student work
                                                      benefiting their
                                                      project.</div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>I like that
                                                      approach.  Funded
                                                      projects support
                                                      their own work
                                                      effort, and then
                                                      the Foundation
                                                      could support
                                                      other high-value
                                                      student proposals
                                                      that focus on new
                                                      projects or
                                                      under-funded
                                                      projects.</div>
                                                    <div>Paul</div>
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                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Best
                                                          Regards, Paul
                                                          Ritchie</div>
                                                          <div>OWASP
                                                          Interim
                                                          Executive
                                                          Director</div>
                                                          <div><a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:paul.ritchie@owasp.org" target="_blank">paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a></div>
                                                          <div><br>
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                                                    <br>
                                                    <div
                                                      class="gmail_quote">On
                                                      Mon, Apr 20, 2015
                                                      at 1:21 PM, Josh
                                                      Sokol <span
                                                        dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:josh.sokol@owasp.org"
                                                          target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                      wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>I think
                                                          we should
                                                          treat it like
                                                          we do the
                                                          chapters.  If
                                                          a project has
                                                          money in their
                                                          account, then
                                                          they are not
                                                          eligible for
                                                          Foundation
                                                          funds until
                                                          that money has
                                                          been
                                                          allocated. 
                                                          I'd also agree
                                                          that $30k of
                                                          unbudgeted
                                                          funds is a lot
                                                          to spend like
                                                          this
                                                          considering I
                                                          don't see any
                                                          reason to
                                                          hurry here. 
                                                          It literally
                                                          means robbing
                                                          another
                                                          budgeted
                                                          project in
                                                          order to
                                                          account for
                                                          this.  That
                                                          said, I
                                                          support the
                                                          idea, in
                                                          concept. 
                                                          Maybe the
                                                          projects with
                                                          some money can
                                                          front it for
                                                          their slots,
                                                          the Foundation
                                                          can use this
                                                          as an
                                                          experiment for
                                                          our own
                                                          program, and
                                                          we can see how
                                                          it goes. 
                                                          Minimal risk
                                                          with a high
                                                          reward and we
                                                          can budget for
                                                          more next
                                                          year?<span><font
color="#888888"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </font></span></div>
                                                          <span><font
                                                          color="#888888">~josh<br>
                                                          </font></span></div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Mon, Apr 20,
                                                          2015 at 2:59
                                                          PM, Tobias <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tobias.gondrom@owasp.org"
                                                          target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Well, I
                                                          don't know. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          IMHO the
                                                          criteria
                                                          should be
                                                          based on
                                                          quality of
                                                          proposal and
                                                          bang for the
                                                          buck for
                                                          OWASP. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          incubator/lab/flagship
                                                          seems not so
                                                          useful. E.g.
                                                          if we get
                                                          three good in
                                                          one category,
                                                          I would not
                                                          see a point
                                                          selecting one
                                                          from another
                                                          one just to
                                                          serve all
                                                          categories. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Cheers, Tobias
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 20/04/15
                                                          19:49, johanna
                                                          curiel curiel
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><span
style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">>Not sure we need to split this
                                                          in
                                                          incubator/lab/flagship
                                                          categories. </span><br>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Tobias,
                                                          this could be
                                                          a option If we
                                                          would like to
                                                          provide a fair
                                                          chance to all
                                                          project
                                                          categories.
                                                          Woudl you
                                                          suggest other
                                                          criteria for
                                                          selection?</span></div>
                                                          <div><span
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                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">cheers</span></div>
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                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Johanna</span></div>
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                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Mon, Apr 20,
                                                          2015 at 2:44
                                                          PM, Tobias <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:tobias.gondrom@owasp.org"
                                                          target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>3 x
                                                          2500USD sounds
                                                          reasonable. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Not sure we
                                                          need to split
                                                          this in
                                                          incubator/lab/flagship
                                                          categories. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Best, Tobias
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                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 20/04/15
                                                          19:39, johanna
                                                          curiel curiel
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Consider
                                                          maybe a small
                                                          pilot with 3
                                                          types of
                                                          projects:
                                                          <div>1
                                                          Incubator, 1
                                                          LAB, 1
                                                          Flagship</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Do a pre
                                                          selection of
                                                          the most
                                                          active on each
                                                          category  and
                                                          then select at
                                                          random the
                                                          participating
                                                          one.</div>
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                                                          <div>just an
                                                          idea</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Total for
                                                          the pilot
                                                          9,000USD (3 x
                                                          3000USD) or</div>
                                                          <div>USD2500x
                                                          3 = 7500USD</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>regards</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Johanna</div>
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                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Mon, Apr 20,
                                                          2015 at 2:21
                                                          PM, Jim Manico
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                                                          A suggestion.
                                                          Because this
                                                          is the first
                                                          time OWASP is
                                                          directly
                                                          funding this
                                                          initiative,
                                                          can we start
                                                          with a smaller
                                                          financial
                                                          amount,
                                                          measure
                                                          success, and
                                                          then consider
                                                          larger funding
                                                          next year? I
                                                          want to see
                                                          how we do
                                                          first and
                                                          would feel
                                                          more
                                                          comfortable
                                                          with a smaller
                                                          experiment. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          - Jim
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>On
                                                          4/19/15 8:27
                                                          AM,
                                                          Konstantinos
                                                          Papapanagiotou
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Dear
                                                          board,<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          Following
                                                          recent
                                                          conversations
                                                          I would like
                                                          to formally
                                                          submit a
                                                          proposal for
                                                          the OWASP
                                                          Summer of Code
                                                          Sprint,
                                                          requesting a
                                                          budget of
                                                          $30,000.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>The
                                                          details of the
                                                          proposal can
                                                          be found here:
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                                                          I believe that
                                                          such
                                                          initiatives
                                                          are important
                                                          for our
                                                          mission as
                                                          they combine
                                                          project
                                                          contributions
                                                          and reaching
                                                          out to
                                                          students who
                                                          are future
                                                          developers.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Looking
                                                          forward to
                                                          your comments,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Kostas<br>
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