<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I definitely feel it was dumped. A good dump, and I'm glad it was donated to OWASP. The original developer did not make additional code edits after the initial OWASP project donation, something I heavily discourage in OSS and OWASP project in general.</div><div><br><div>--</div><div>Jim Manico</div><div>@Manicode</div><div>(808) 652-3805</div></div><div><br>On Apr 25, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Michael Coates <<a href="mailto:michael.coates@owasp.org">michael.coates@owasp.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>Is a coordinated transition of a project from the creator to three new leads called "dumping it"?</div><div><br></div><div>Let's keep things straight and fair. Lots of good things all around for appsensor. <br><br><br></div><div><br>On Apr 25, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Jim Manico <<a href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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    This is not a risk we *have* to take. This is a risk we should
    discuss and resolve as a team.<br>
    <br>
    - Jim<br>
    <br>
    > Look at Appsensor for example. <br>
    <br>
    Well, the original developer of AppSensor dumped the project (which
    was cool) but did not maintain it. John Melton then single-handed
    made version 2.0 and maintains it. The quality is also incredibly
    professional. My point is that AppSensor 2.0 Flagship largely
    happened because one VERY senior Java developer decided to dig in do
    the work outside of of the GSOC. A junior developer is the last
    person who should be building projects of that nature (secure coding
    libraries).<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/25/15 9:33 AM, Konstantinos
      Papapanagiotou wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:CALr8uEwTkYZNXfuwcUjGCfO+jefVt1BiLFwbiRR7o_fUAMting@mail.gmail.com" type="cite">I'm afraid that this is a risk we have to take Jim.
      Maybe one of those new, small projects becomes the next flagship
      in 5 years time. Look at Appsensor for example. 
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><span></span>We *have to* encourage new contributions from
        enthusiasts otherwise we risk becoming a foundation of the
        elite. Is that where you would like to drive OWASP to?
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Kostas</div>
        <div><br>
          <br>
          On Saturday, April 25, 2015, Jim Manico <<a href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="auto">
              <div><span></span></div>
              <div>
                <div>Another note is that if you look at all the
                  projects this 250,000k$ funded in 2008...</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_of_Code_2008" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_of_Code_2008</a></div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>...most are now dead projects.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>We do good at getting projects started but do
                  poorly in bringing these projects to maturity.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>I really want us to make a big impact. I suggest we
                  focus in on our flagship and lab projects with big
                  potential. I'd hate to fund dozens of projects (again)
                  that just die on the view a few years after getting
                  funding.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Regards,<br>
                  <div>--</div>
                  <div>Jim Manico</div>
                  <div>@Manicode</div>
                  <div>(808) 652-3805</div>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                  On Apr 25, 2015, at 4:32 AM, Jason Li <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jason.li@owasp.org');" target="_blank">jason.li@owasp.org</a>> wrote:<br>
                  <br>
                </div>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div>
                    <div dir="ltr">Josh,
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>I'm a little late to this thread, but I just
                        wanted to point out that it is NOT the first
                        time OWASP would be running this type of
                        initiative ourselves. As an organization, we ran
                        seasons of code for many years prior to Google
                        accepting our application to participate in
                        Google Summer of Code:</div>
                      <div><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Autumn_Of_Code_2006" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Autumn_Of_Code_2006</a>
                        ($34,000 budget)<br>
                      </div>
                      <div><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Spring_Of_Code_2007" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Spring_Of_Code_2007</a>
                        ($117,500 budget)<br>
                      </div>
                      <div><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_of_Code_2008" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Summer_of_Code_2008</a>
                        ($100,00 budget)<br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Obviously the organization budget and
                        expenses have changed a lot since then. Those
                        events were done back when Paulo and Kate were
                        the only paid employees of OWASP and before
                        chapters and projects had their own budgets.
                        We've obviously grown a lot since then, and the
                        goals are different this time around. But as an
                        organization, we do have some history running
                        this type of initiative ourselves. </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>-Jason</div>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at
                        8:31 AM, Josh Sokol <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','josh.sokol@owasp.org');" target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                          <div dir="ltr">
                            <div> I would like to see a couple of
                              changes:<br>
                              <br>
                              1) I'm not sure it makes sense to use $30k
                              of the project funding for this one
                              initiative.  It consumes 60% of the
                              funding for a far smaller percentage of
                              our active projects.  OWASP also has no
                              history with running this initiative
                              ourselves so I would prefer to limit our
                              exposure here the first time around.  I
                              would rather see us allocate $12,000,
                              roughly 25% of the overall budget
                              allocated to projects.  This burns our
                              budget for one quarter, but leaves
                              sufficient budget for the rest of the
                              year.  It is enough to fully fund 8
                              students at the $1500/student price tag
                              which seems like a reasonable place for us
                              to start this initiative.  If the
                              initiative is successful, then I would
                              consider increasing the funding when
                              budgeting for next year.<br>
                              <br>
                              2) I have not seen any stipulation here
                              stating that projects must use their
                              project funds before being able to use
                              Foundation funds.  This is a requirement
                              for all chapters using community
                              engagement funding and should apply
                              equally to the projects.  Saying that
                              project a with money can buy additional
                              slots is not the same thing as saying that
                              they need to use their funds first.  If we
                              all agree that funds are allocated to be
                              spent, not saved, then I see no reason why
                              projects with funds should not be
                              encouraged to spend funds in their account
                              first and foremost.<br>
                              <br>
                              I fully support the initiative, but would
                              like to see these limitations placed on it
                              before voting yes on it.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                  <br>
                                </font></span></div>
                            <span><font color="#888888">~josh<br>
                              </font></span></div>
                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote"><span>On Mon, Apr
                                20, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Fabio Cerullo <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fcerullo@owasp.org');" target="_blank">fcerullo@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                wrote:<br>
                              </span>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                    <div dir="auto">
                                      <div>Hi</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>I fully endorse this
                                        initiative and think is aligned
                                        with our mission and strategic
                                        goals.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>I appreciate the comments
                                        regarding the budgeting and we
                                        could lower them to a level
                                        which everyone feels comfortable
                                        with.. What about 10 slots at
                                        USD 1500 each.. Total budget USD
                                        15000</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Paul, I think the proposal by
                                        Kostas supports that approach.
                                        Any project leader could decide
                                        to get an additional slot/s by
                                        using their project funds. The
                                        only clarification is that
                                        Summer of Code is about 'code'
                                        so the documentation projects
                                        are out of scope.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Is everyone satisfied with
                                        the overall contents of the
                                        proposal? Can we bring this to a
                                        vote by the Board and move
                                        forward?</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Thanks Kostas for putting
                                        this together.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Regards,</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Fabio</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                        Sent from my iPhone</div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div><br>
                                            On 20 Apr 2015, at 14:39,
                                            Paul Ritchie <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','paul.ritchie@owasp.org');" target="_blank">paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a>>
                                            wrote:<br>
                                            <br>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                            <div>
                                              <div dir="ltr">Hi Josh,
                                                all:
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>So you are
                                                  suggesting that a
                                                  couple of the well
                                                  funded Projects like
                                                  AppSensor, OpenSAMM,
                                                  ZAP, etc., could make
                                                  a decision to
                                                  'sponsor' a student
                                                  under the Summer of
                                                  Code program to the
                                                  tune or $1500 or $3000
                                                  or whatever they
                                                  wanted to contribute. 
                                                  And, they could ensure
                                                  that those funds were
                                                  used on student work
                                                  benefiting their
                                                  project.</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>I like that
                                                  approach.  Funded
                                                  projects support their
                                                  own work effort, and
                                                  then the Foundation
                                                  could support other
                                                  high-value student
                                                  proposals that focus
                                                  on new projects or
                                                  under-funded projects.</div>
                                                <div>Paul</div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <div dir="ltr">
                                                      <div>Best Regards,
                                                        Paul Ritchie</div>
                                                      <div>OWASP Interim
                                                        Executive
                                                        Director</div>
                                                      <div><a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','paul.ritchie@owasp.org');" target="_blank">paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a></div>
                                                      <div><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                <br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at
                                                  1:21 PM, Josh Sokol <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','josh.sokol@owasp.org');" target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                    <div dir="ltr">
                                                      <div>I think we
                                                        should treat it
                                                        like we do the
                                                        chapters.  If a
                                                        project has
                                                        money in their
                                                        account, then
                                                        they are not
                                                        eligible for
                                                        Foundation funds
                                                        until that money
                                                        has been
                                                        allocated.  I'd
                                                        also agree that
                                                        $30k of
                                                        unbudgeted funds
                                                        is a lot to
                                                        spend like this
                                                        considering I
                                                        don't see any
                                                        reason to hurry
                                                        here.  It
                                                        literally means
                                                        robbing another
                                                        budgeted project
                                                        in order to
                                                        account for
                                                        this.  That
                                                        said, I support
                                                        the idea, in
                                                        concept.  Maybe
                                                        the projects
                                                        with some money
                                                        can front it for
                                                        their slots, the
                                                        Foundation can
                                                        use this as an
                                                        experiment for
                                                        our own program,
                                                        and we can see
                                                        how it goes. 
                                                        Minimal risk
                                                        with a high
                                                        reward and we
                                                        can budget for
                                                        more next year?<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </font></span></div>
                                                      <span><font color="#888888">~josh<br>
                                                        </font></span></div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Mon, Apr 20,
                                                          2015 at 2:59
                                                          PM, Tobias <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tobias.gondrom@owasp.org');" target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                                                          <div>Well, I
                                                          don't know. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          IMHO the
                                                          criteria
                                                          should be
                                                          based on
                                                          quality of
                                                          proposal and
                                                          bang for the
                                                          buck for
                                                          OWASP. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          incubator/lab/flagship
                                                          seems not so
                                                          useful. E.g.
                                                          if we get
                                                          three good in
                                                          one category,
                                                          I would not
                                                          see a point
                                                          selecting one
                                                          from another
                                                          one just to
                                                          serve all
                                                          categories. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Cheers, Tobias
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 20/04/15
                                                          19:49, johanna
                                                          curiel curiel
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">>Not sure we need to split this
                                                          in
                                                          incubator/lab/flagship
                                                          categories. </span><br>
                                                          <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Tobias,
                                                          this could be
                                                          a option If we
                                                          would like to
                                                          provide a fair
                                                          chance to all
                                                          project
                                                          categories.
                                                          Woudl you
                                                          suggest other
                                                          criteria for
                                                          selection?</span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">cheers</span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Johanna</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Mon, Apr 20,
                                                          2015 at 2:44
                                                          PM, Tobias <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tobias.gondrom@owasp.org');" target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
                                                          <div>3 x
                                                          2500USD sounds
                                                          reasonable. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Not sure we
                                                          need to split
                                                          this in
                                                          incubator/lab/flagship
                                                          categories. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Best, Tobias
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 20/04/15
                                                          19:39, johanna
                                                          curiel curiel
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Consider
                                                          maybe a small
                                                          pilot with 3
                                                          types of
                                                          projects:
                                                          <div>1
                                                          Incubator, 1
                                                          LAB, 1
                                                          Flagship</div>
                                                          <div><br>
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                                                          <div>Do a pre
                                                          selection of
                                                          the most
                                                          active on each
                                                          category  and
                                                          then select at
                                                          random the
                                                          participating
                                                          one.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>just an
                                                          idea</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Total for
                                                          the pilot
                                                          9,000USD (3 x
                                                          3000USD) or</div>
                                                          <div>USD2500x
                                                          3 = 7500USD</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>regards</div>
                                                          <div><br>
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                                                          <div>Johanna</div>
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                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Mon, Apr 20,
                                                          2015 at 2:21
                                                          PM, Jim Manico
                                                          <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jim.manico@owasp.org');" target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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                                                          A suggestion.
                                                          Because this
                                                          is the first
                                                          time OWASP is
                                                          directly
                                                          funding this
                                                          initiative,
                                                          can we start
                                                          with a smaller
                                                          financial
                                                          amount,
                                                          measure
                                                          success, and
                                                          then consider
                                                          larger funding
                                                          next year? I
                                                          want to see
                                                          how we do
                                                          first and
                                                          would feel
                                                          more
                                                          comfortable
                                                          with a smaller
                                                          experiment. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          - Jim
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                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>On
                                                          4/19/15 8:27
                                                          AM,
                                                          Konstantinos
                                                          Papapanagiotou
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Dear
                                                          board,<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          Following
                                                          recent
                                                          conversations
                                                          I would like
                                                          to formally
                                                          submit a
                                                          proposal for
                                                          the OWASP
                                                          Summer of Code
                                                          Sprint,
                                                          requesting a
                                                          budget of
                                                          $30,000.<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          <div>The
                                                          details of the
                                                          proposal can
                                                          be found here:
                                                          <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FTC-zh__i6ft6uyZRw4rZHxOA44U6T7i33r8RkN0AXk/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FTC-zh__i6ft6uyZRw4rZHxOA44U6T7i33r8RkN0AXk/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
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                                                          I believe that
                                                          such
                                                          initiatives
                                                          are important
                                                          for our
                                                          mission as
                                                          they combine
                                                          project
                                                          contributions
                                                          and reaching
                                                          out to
                                                          students who
                                                          are future
                                                          developers.<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          Looking
                                                          forward to
                                                          your comments,<br>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          Kostas<br>
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