<div dir="ltr"><div><div>FYI, I don't see this conversation being any different than the Community Engagement Funding that is used for things like OWASP on the Move:<br><br><a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Funding">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Funding</a><br><br></div>If you look at the Funding Rules at the bottom, it stipulates:<br><ul><li>Primary funding would be deducted from the local chapter budget (if the activity is supporting the local chapter).
</li><li>A chapter without sufficient funds (or initiative not tied to the 
chapter) may request funding from the foundation "Community Engagement" 
fund.  These funds are available on a first come-first serve basis.
</li></ul>This was an effort to try to encourage chapters to spend their chapter funds before using Foundation funds.  By doing this, we force them to spend money on the things they find value in (instead of what the Foundation is willing to pay for) and force them to spend down their "ring-fenced" funds.  The only difference I see between the Community Engagement Funding and the request for this Summer of Code Funding is that the Community Engagement Funding is budgeted for while the Summer of Code Funding is not.  I'm not arguing the value or whether it serves our mission.  What I'm arguing is that we need to encourage prioritization and spending money responsibly.  Simply giving projects with plenty of money in their account $1500+ does neither.<br><br></div>~josh<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Josh Sokol <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:josh.sokol@owasp.org" target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>So, if a chapter had less than $1000 in the budget, and the money was already planned/committed, should we allow them to use OWASP on the Move funds or other community engagement funding for their efforts?  I see no difference here.  The point is that chapters and projects have money to spend and should be encouraged to do so.  Just because an account is at $0 doesn't mean they can't do anything.  It just means that they have to use the global pool of funds available to them and there's nothing wrong with that.  But there is something wrong with a chapter or a project keeping money in their account solely because there *might* be something they would want to spend it on later.  In order for me to vote in favor of this, it needs to be in a manner that has projects spending their money first before being gifted Foundation funds.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">~josh<br></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Tobias <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tobias.gondrom@owasp.org" target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div>I tend to agree with Josh and Jim's
      suggestion on scope and funding. Incl. that projects could use
      some of their funding if available. <br>
      <br>
      (maybe as a small thought for a compromise on Josh's point: if a
      project has less than USD1000 in the budget, and that money is
      already planned/committed for another activity, we could exempt
      that amount.)<br>
      <br>
      What do others think? <br>
      <br>
      Best, Tobias<div><div><br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 22/04/15 17:39, Jim Manico wrote:<br>
    </div></div></div><div><div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      <div>Very reasonable. +1 Josh.<br>
        <br>
        <div>--</div>
        <div>Jim Manico</div>
        <div>@Manicode</div>
        <div><a href="tel:%28808%29%20652-3805" value="+18086523805" target="_blank">(808) 652-3805</a></div>
      </div>
      <div><br>
        On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:33 AM, Josh Sokol <<a href="mailto:josh.sokol@owasp.org" target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>>
        wrote:<br>
        <br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <div>
          <div dir="ltr">
            <div>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <div>Kostas,<br>
                      <br>
                    </div>
                    I don't disagree that this is important for the
                    Foundation's mission, but the devil is in the
                    details.  This whole plan is a reaction to us not
                    being accepted to the Google Summer of Code
                    project.  It was not budgeted for 2015 and that
                    means that we are taking money away from another
                    budget in order to fund this.  In addition, this is
                    not a project that OWASP has ever run itself in the
                    past.  Because of this, I think we need to proceed,
                    but proceed with caution and limit our liabilities. 
                    So, I'm not really sure whose proposal is for what
                    at this point, but my stipulations remain for
                    support of any plan:<br>
                    <br>
                  </div>
                  1) Limit funds to a reasonable amount of money.  I
                  suggested $12k since that seems reasonable to me and
                  just eats up one quarter of the funding we are taking
                  from to make this work, leaving funds available for
                  other project-related activities.<br>
                  <br>
                </div>
                2) Projects must spend their account funds first before
                being able to use these funds.  I won't waiver on this. 
                AppSensor has $4069.73, ESAPI $2836.58, OpenSAMM
                $7323.40, and ZAP $9675.48 (<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&key=0Atu4kyR3ljftdEdQWTczbUxoMUFnWmlTODZ2ZFZvaXc&hl=en_US&gid=3" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_US&key=0Atu4kyR3ljftdEdQWTczbUxoMUFnWmlTODZ2ZFZvaXc&hl=en_US&gid=3</a>). 
                All of these would easily have the ability to fund work
                if it were a priority and have elected not to do so. 
                Other projects have significant funds as well totaling
                over $39,544 currently "ring-fenced" for the projects. 
                <br>
                <br>
              </div>
              So, I support the initiative, but for me to vote in favor
              of it I need for those two things to be incorporated into
              the plan.  I'm just one person though so maybe you'll have
              the support you need without me if you decide to proceed
              with the current proposal as written.<br>
              <br>
            </div>
            ~josh<br>
          </div>
          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:01 AM,
              Konstantinos Papapanagiotou <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Konstantinos@owasp.org" target="_blank">Konstantinos@owasp.org</a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Josh,
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>When putting together this proposal, I tried to
                  make it a win case for all parties. This is why I
                  believe it's very important for the foundation's
                  mission: we reach out to students and universities,
                  get work done on our projects and "recruit"
                  enthusiastic contributors that will most likely keep
                  volunteering in the future.</div>
                <div>Being a project leader myself, I think the initial
                  proposal will get more support from the project
                  leaders. At the same time Fabio's approach is equally
                  or even more appealing and better balanced. I would
                  like to have support from a vast majority of the board
                  if possible, so if you feel more comfortable with
                  Fabio's approach, we can adopt it.<span></span></div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Kostas</div>
                    <div><br>
                      <br>
                      On Wednesday, April 22, 2015, Josh Sokol <<a href="mailto:josh.sokol@owasp.org" target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>>
                      wrote:<br>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                        <div dir="ltr">
                          <div>So, if projects can already spend their
                            money any way they want (obviously with some
                            caveats), and they haven't prioritized
                            paying others to help with the code (whether
                            they are students or professionals), then
                            why should the Foundation care to spend it's
                            money on something that the projects don't
                            value enough to spend their money on?  I
                            draw a lot of parallels here between
                            projects and chapters because the
                            conversation around money ultimately comes
                            down to a discussion about the "ring-fenced
                            funds" in our accounts.  Basically, funds
                            that are currently allocated to a chapter or
                            project, but aren't in active use, and can't
                            be used for something else.  And with rules
                            in place (and others being added) designed
                            to make the chapters spend their money to
                            avoid this situation, I see no reason why we
                            should treat the projects any differently. 
                            If a project has money, they need to spend
                            it.  In addition, if it we made the
                            assumption that it was important to invest
                            money in our projects for such an
                            initiative, and some projects already have
                            this money and aren't spending it in this
                            way, then I would choose to instead fund the
                            projects who do not have the money to even
                            make this choice.  In other words, we should
                            be allocating this money to the projects who
                            don't have money, not the ones that do.  If
                            we cannot agree that the projects need to
                            spend their account funds first, then we
                            cannot agree that this money should be
                            allocated at all.  Based on this, my vote
                            will be "no" if a vote is requested.<br>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          ~josh<br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 22, 2015
                            at 7:42 AM, Konstantinos Papapanagiotou <span dir="ltr"><<a>Konstantinos@owasp.org</a>></span>
                            wrote:<br>
                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Projects can
                              already spend their money any way they
                              want. As a project leader, why should I
                              give my budget to this initiative, go
                              through all this process and not hire
                              instead a professional developer?
                              <div>I believe<span></span> that this
                                should be an organization-level
                                initiative that can include projects
                                with no budget; driven as an OWASP
                                initiative not a (for example)
                                ZAP-OWTF-Hackademic
                                side-project. Projects that have budget
                                can go out on their own and look for
                                students or developers in a probably
                                more effective way.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Kostas</div>
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <div><br>
                                    <br>
                                    On Wednesday, April 22, 2015, Josh
                                    Sokol <<a>josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>>
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                      <div dir="ltr">
                                        <div> I would like to see a
                                          couple of changes:<br>
                                          <br>
                                          1) I'm not sure it makes sense
                                          to use $30k of the project
                                          funding for this one
                                          initiative.  It consumes 60%
                                          of the funding for a far
                                          smaller percentage of our
                                          active projects.  OWASP also
                                          has no history with running
                                          this initiative ourselves so I
                                          would prefer to limit our
                                          exposure here the first time
                                          around.  I would rather see us
                                          allocate $12,000, roughly 25%
                                          of the overall budget
                                          allocated to projects.  This
                                          burns our budget for one
                                          quarter, but leaves sufficient
                                          budget for the rest of the
                                          year.  It is enough to fully
                                          fund 8 students at the
                                          $1500/student price tag which
                                          seems like a reasonable place
                                          for us to start this
                                          initiative.  If the initiative
                                          is successful, then I would
                                          consider increasing the
                                          funding when budgeting for
                                          next year.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          2) I have not seen any
                                          stipulation here stating that
                                          projects must use their
                                          project funds before being
                                          able to use Foundation funds. 
                                          This is a requirement for all
                                          chapters using community
                                          engagement funding and should
                                          apply equally to the
                                          projects.  Saying that project
                                          a with money can buy
                                          additional slots is not the
                                          same thing as saying that they
                                          need to use their funds
                                          first.  If we all agree that
                                          funds are allocated to be
                                          spent, not saved, then I see
                                          no reason why projects with
                                          funds should not be encouraged
                                          to spend funds in their
                                          account first and foremost.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I fully support the
                                          initiative, but would like to
                                          see these limitations placed
                                          on it before voting yes on it.<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        ~josh<br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon,
                                          Apr 20, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Fabio
                                          Cerullo <span dir="ltr"><<a>fcerullo@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                          wrote:<br>
                                          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                            <div dir="auto">
                                              <div>Hi</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>I fully endorse this
                                                initiative and think is
                                                aligned with our mission
                                                and strategic goals.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>I appreciate the
                                                comments regarding the
                                                budgeting and we could
                                                lower them to a level
                                                which everyone feels
                                                comfortable with.. What
                                                about 10 slots at USD
                                                1500 each.. Total budget
                                                USD 15000</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Paul, I think the
                                                proposal by Kostas
                                                supports that approach.
                                                Any project leader could
                                                decide to get an
                                                additional slot/s by
                                                using their project
                                                funds. The only
                                                clarification is that
                                                Summer of Code is about
                                                'code' so the
                                                documentation projects
                                                are out of scope.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Is everyone satisfied
                                                with the overall
                                                contents of the
                                                proposal? Can we bring
                                                this to a vote by the
                                                Board and move forward?</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Thanks Kostas for
                                                putting this together.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Regards,</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Fabio</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                                Sent from my iPhone</div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                    On 20 Apr 2015, at
                                                    14:39, Paul Ritchie
                                                    <<a>paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a>>
                                                    wrote:<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote type="cite">
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr">Hi
                                                        Josh, all:
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>So you are
                                                          suggesting
                                                          that a couple
                                                          of the well
                                                          funded
                                                          Projects like
                                                          AppSensor,
                                                          OpenSAMM, ZAP,
                                                          etc., could
                                                          make a
                                                          decision to
                                                          'sponsor' a
                                                          student under
                                                          the Summer of
                                                          Code program
                                                          to the tune or
                                                          $1500 or $3000
                                                          or whatever
                                                          they wanted to
                                                          contribute. 
                                                          And, they
                                                          could ensure
                                                          that those
                                                          funds were
                                                          used on
                                                          student work
                                                          benefiting
                                                          their project.</div>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div>I like that
                                                          approach. 
                                                          Funded
                                                          projects
                                                          support their
                                                          own work
                                                          effort, and
                                                          then the
                                                          Foundation
                                                          could support
                                                          other
                                                          high-value
                                                          student
                                                          proposals that
                                                          focus on new
                                                          projects or
                                                          under-funded
                                                          projects.</div>
                                                        <div>Paul</div>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Best
                                                          Regards, Paul
                                                          Ritchie</div>
                                                          <div>OWASP
                                                          Interim
                                                          Executive
                                                          Director</div>
                                                          <div><a>paul.ritchie@owasp.org</a></div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Mon, Apr 20,
                                                          2015 at 1:21
                                                          PM, Josh Sokol
                                                          <span dir="ltr"><<a>josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>I think
                                                          we should
                                                          treat it like
                                                          we do the
                                                          chapters.  If
                                                          a project has
                                                          money in their
                                                          account, then
                                                          they are not
                                                          eligible for
                                                          Foundation
                                                          funds until
                                                          that money has
                                                          been
                                                          allocated. 
                                                          I'd also agree
                                                          that $30k of
                                                          unbudgeted
                                                          funds is a lot
                                                          to spend like
                                                          this
                                                          considering I
                                                          don't see any
                                                          reason to
                                                          hurry here. 
                                                          It literally
                                                          means robbing
                                                          another
                                                          budgeted
                                                          project in
                                                          order to
                                                          account for
                                                          this.  That
                                                          said, I
                                                          support the
                                                          idea, in
                                                          concept. 
                                                          Maybe the
                                                          projects with
                                                          some money can
                                                          front it for
                                                          their slots,
                                                          the Foundation
                                                          can use this
                                                          as an
                                                          experiment for
                                                          our own
                                                          program, and
                                                          we can see how
                                                          it goes. 
                                                          Minimal risk
                                                          with a high
                                                          reward and we
                                                          can budget for
                                                          more next
                                                          year?<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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                                                          <span><font color="#888888">~josh<br>
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                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Mon, Apr 20,
                                                          2015 at 2:59
                                                          PM, Tobias <span dir="ltr"><<a>tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Well, I
                                                          don't know. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          IMHO the
                                                          criteria
                                                          should be
                                                          based on
                                                          quality of
                                                          proposal and
                                                          bang for the
                                                          buck for
                                                          OWASP. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          incubator/lab/flagship
                                                          seems not so
                                                          useful. E.g.
                                                          if we get
                                                          three good in
                                                          one category,
                                                          I would not
                                                          see a point
                                                          selecting one
                                                          from another
                                                          one just to
                                                          serve all
                                                          categories. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Cheers, Tobias
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 20/04/15
                                                          19:49, johanna
                                                          curiel curiel
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">>Not sure we need to split this
                                                          in
                                                          incubator/lab/flagship
                                                          categories. </span><br>
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                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Tobias,
                                                          this could be
                                                          a option If we
                                                          would like to
                                                          provide a fair
                                                          chance to all
                                                          project
                                                          categories.
                                                          Woudl you
                                                          suggest other
                                                          criteria for
                                                          selection?</span></div>
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                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">cheers</span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><span style="font-size:12.8000001907349px">Johanna</span></div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Mon, Apr 20,
                                                          2015 at 2:44
                                                          PM, Tobias <span dir="ltr"><<a>tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>3 x
                                                          2500USD sounds
                                                          reasonable. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Not sure we
                                                          need to split
                                                          this in
                                                          incubator/lab/flagship
                                                          categories. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Best, Tobias
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          On 20/04/15
                                                          19:39, johanna
                                                          curiel curiel
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Consider
                                                          maybe a small
                                                          pilot with 3
                                                          types of
                                                          projects:
                                                          <div>1
                                                          Incubator, 1
                                                          LAB, 1
                                                          Flagship</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Do a pre
                                                          selection of
                                                          the most
                                                          active on each
                                                          category  and
                                                          then select at
                                                          random the
                                                          participating
                                                          one.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>just an
                                                          idea</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Total for
                                                          the pilot
                                                          9,000USD (3 x
                                                          3000USD) or</div>
                                                          <div>USD2500x
                                                          3 = 7500USD</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>regards</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Johanna</div>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Mon, Apr 20,
                                                          2015 at 2:21
                                                          PM, Jim Manico
                                                          <span dir="ltr"><<a>jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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                                                          A suggestion.
                                                          Because this
                                                          is the first
                                                          time OWASP is
                                                          directly
                                                          funding this
                                                          initiative,
                                                          can we start
                                                          with a smaller
                                                          financial
                                                          amount,
                                                          measure
                                                          success, and
                                                          then consider
                                                          larger funding
                                                          next year? I
                                                          want to see
                                                          how we do
                                                          first and
                                                          would feel
                                                          more
                                                          comfortable
                                                          with a smaller
                                                          experiment. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          - Jim
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>On
                                                          4/19/15 8:27
                                                          AM,
                                                          Konstantinos
                                                          Papapanagiotou
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Dear
                                                          board,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Following
                                                          recent
                                                          conversations
                                                          I would like
                                                          to formally
                                                          submit a
                                                          proposal for
                                                          the OWASP
                                                          Summer of Code
                                                          Sprint,
                                                          requesting a
                                                          budget of
                                                          $30,000.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>The
                                                          details of the
                                                          proposal can
                                                          be found here:
                                                          <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FTC-zh__i6ft6uyZRw4rZHxOA44U6T7i33r8RkN0AXk/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FTC-zh__i6ft6uyZRw4rZHxOA44U6T7i33r8RkN0AXk/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
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                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          I believe that
                                                          such
                                                          initiatives
                                                          are important
                                                          for our
                                                          mission as
                                                          they combine
                                                          project
                                                          contributions
                                                          and reaching
                                                          out to
                                                          students who
                                                          are future
                                                          developers.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Looking
                                                          forward to
                                                          your comments,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Kostas<br>
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