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    +1 Josh and Eoin. Well said.<br>
    - Jim<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/10/14, 5:17 PM, Josh Sokol wrote:<br>
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        <div>Regardless of whether it is a community contributed
          project, shouldn't the data be open by nature of being an
          OWASP project?  OWASP as an organization should never be
          publishing anything that we can't back up with factual
          evidence.  As project manager, wouldn't it be Samantha's
          responsibility to ensure that this standard is met with all of
          our projects?  Seems to me that Eoin was trying to make a
          (perhaps less than) subtle point here, but I'm not sure why
          it's a "nice try".  This should have been a requirement before
          we ever published the document in my opinion.<br>
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        ~josh<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Dennis
          Groves <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:dennis.groves@owasp.org" target="_blank">dennis.groves@owasp.org</a>></span>
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            <div dir="ltr">Nice Try Eoin,
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              <div>We all know that this project is not a community
                project. </div>
              <div>This is exactly the kind of issues that the board
                should be addressing!</div>
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              <div class="gmail_extra">Dennis</div>
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                    <div class="h5">On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:04 PM,
                      Eoin Keary <span dir="ltr"><<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:eoin.keary@owasp.org"
                          target="_blank">eoin.keary@owasp.org</a>></span>
                      wrote:<br>
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                          <div>Sam,</div>
                          <div>I'm asking you respectfully to obtain
                            access for the community  as owasp projects
                            manager. I could of emailed jeff and Dave
                            directly myself but preferred to go through
                            your good self.</div>
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                          <div>Thanks,</div>
                          <div>Eoin.</div>
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                              Eoin Keary
                              <div>Owasp Global Board</div>
                              <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="tel:%2B353%2087%20977%202988"
                                  value="+353879772988" target="_blank">+353
                                  87 977 2988</a></div>
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                            On 10 Apr 2014, at 21:58, Samantha Groves
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                              <div dir="ltr">Hello Dave and Jeff,
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                                <div>Eoin is asking for some project
                                  information for the Top 10. Can you
                                  help him out? </div>
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                                <div>Thank you, Dave and Jeff.</div>
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                                <div>Samantha 
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                                      Forwarded message ----------<br>
                                      From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Eoin
                                        Keary</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:eoin.keary@owasp.org"
                                          target="_blank">eoin.keary@owasp.org</a>></span><br>
                                      Date: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:55 PM<br>
                                      Subject: Owasp top 10<br>
                                      To: Samantha Groves <<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:samantha.groves@owasp.org"
                                        target="_blank">samantha.groves@owasp.org</a>>,
                                      OWASP Foundation Board List <<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:owasp-board@lists.owasp.org"
                                        target="_blank">owasp-board@lists.owasp.org</a>>,
                                      OWASP Leaders <<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:owasp-leaders@lists.owasp.org"
                                        target="_blank">owasp-leaders@lists.owasp.org</a>><br>
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                                      Hi,<br>
                                      Can you let me know where all the
                                      data and materials are for the
                                      owasp top 10 2013?<br>
                                      I'd like to see the metrics which
                                      resulted in the top 10 opened up
                                      to the public.<br>
                                      Doing this we can develop trend
                                      analysis, metrics and chart
                                      progress.<br>
                                      Can this be done?<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Regards,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Eoin Keary<br>
                                      Owasp Global Board<br>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="tel:%2B353%2087%20977%202988"
                                        value="+353879772988"
                                        target="_blank">+353 87 977 2988</a><br>
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                                        color="#ff6600"><b>Samantha
                                          Groves, MBA</b></font></p>
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                                          color="#ff6600">OWASP Projects
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                                        color="#666666">The OWASP
                                        Foundation</font></p>
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                                      <font color="#666666">Phoenix, USA</font></p>
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                                        style="color:rgb(102,102,102)">Email:
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                                          href="mailto:samantha.groves@owasp.org"
                                          target="_blank">samantha.groves@owasp.org</a></span></p>
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                                        color="#666666">Skype:
                                        samanthahz </font></p>
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