<p dir="ltr">To be clear, what you're talking about is a process and I support that.  What I've proposed (per what you all asked me to put together at the Board meeting) is a policy via thr Bylaws that specifies the path of revocation should that process fail to allow cooler heads to prevail.  They are not mutually exclusive and are both important along the path toward resolution one way or another.</p>

<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 21, 2014 7:56 PM, "Jim Manico" <<a href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

  
    
  
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    I like this process.<br>
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    1) When conflict arises, first the chapter leads bring in the
    community manager to see if the dispute can be resolved.<br>
    2) If necessary, chapters can start a process to remove someone from
    the chapter. Community manager over-sees this to make sure it's done
    with integrity.<br>
    3) If the individual thinks the process is being done unfairly or
    they were removed unfairly, they can petition the board to get
    involved.<br>
    <br>
    This seems reasonable to be. I want to make sure that competitive
    interests or corporate interests are not taking over a chapter and
    decide to remove someone to remove competition. <br>
    - Jim<br>
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    <div>On 3/22/14, 8:52 AM, GK Southwick
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Completely fair and I believe that that was what
        Tom was suggesting, only that it shouldn't go straight to the
        BoD, unless there is no other recourse. We now have a Community
        Manager to handle mitigation, without having to involve the
        board in every little dispute. 
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        <div>Don't get me wrong, I know that completely ostracizing
          someone from the community is not a  "little" dispute, by any
          means. But I also believe that there's a time and place for
          escalation and we can start every appeal at a lower level than
          the BoD.
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          <div>-= GK</div>
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            <div><a href="mailto:gk@owasp.org" target="_blank">gksouthwick@owasp.org</a></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Jim
          Manico <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org" target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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              <div>Since this is about someone getting pushed out of the
                community in a big way, something against our DNA, I
                want to make sure they have the ability to appeal to the
                board after the community review process is complete.
                Fair?<br>
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                <div>--</div>
                <div>Jim Manico</div>
                <div>@Manicode</div>
                <div><a href="tel:%28808%29%20652-3805" value="+18086523805" target="_blank">(808) 652-3805</a></div>
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                    On Mar 22, 2014, at 5:58 AM, GK Southwick <<a href="mailto:genevieve.southwick@owasp.org" target="_blank">genevieve.southwick@owasp.org</a>>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Absolutely. We don't need to
                        escalate it to BoD review, unless we can't agree
                        to disagree at the community level first.
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                        <div>Best,</div>
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                        <div>-= GK</div>
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                              <div><a href="mailto:gk@owasp.org" target="_blank">gksouthwick@owasp.org</a></div>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 21, 2014
                            at 2:53 PM, Tom Brennan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tomb@owasp.org" target="_blank">tomb@owasp.org</a>></span>
                            wrote:<br>
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                              <div>" notifying the OWASP Board of
                                Directors in writing within 14 days of<br>
                                the original notification"<br>
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                              notifying the OWASP Community Manager in
                              writing within 14 days of the<br>
                              original notification<br>
                              <br>
                              What that does is allow the staff to look
                              at the issue.  If<br>
                              satisfaction resolution to either party is
                              not made then it can be go<br>
                              on the agenda for a board meeting
                              discussion.<br>
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                              Semper Fi,<br>
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                                  On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Josh
                                  Sokol <<a href="mailto:josh.sokol@owasp.org" target="_blank">josh.sokol@owasp.org</a>>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  > Does anyone else have any
                                  comments on this?  Tobias asked if "in
                                  writing"<br>
                                  > includes e-mail, but otherwise
                                  that's the only comment I received.
                                   Can I<br>
                                  > have a second please so that we
                                  can proceed with a vote?<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > Proposal: Add a new section to
                                  the OWASP Bylaws.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > SECTION 4.07  Participation.
                                  Participation in OWASP activities
                                  (conferences,<br>
                                  > meetings, mailings lists,
                                  projects, etc) does not require
                                  membership, but is<br>
                                  > subject to adherence to the OWASP
                                  Code of Ethics, and OWASP leaders may<br>
                                  > revoke the privilege of
                                  participation to those who choose not
                                  to abide by<br>
                                  > that code.  Notification of such
                                  a revocation must be made to the
                                  individual<br>
                                  > in writing, with the OWASP Board
                                  of Directors CC'd for inclusion in the<br>
                                  > Foundation records.  If an
                                  individual believes that this
                                  revocation is<br>
                                  > unjustified, then they have the
                                  option to appeal the decision by
                                  notifying<br>
                                  > the OWASP Board of Directors in
                                  writing within 14 days of the original<br>
                                  > notification.<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > ~josh<br>
                                  ><br>
                                  ><br>
                                  > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:14 AM,
                                  Tobias <<a href="mailto:tobias.gondrom@owasp.org" target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>>
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Hi Josh,<br>
                                  >> sounds good.<br>
                                  >> One question to the lawyers
                                  among us: does "in writing" include
                                  per email?<br>
                                  >> Thanks, Tobias<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> On 03/03/14 16:12, Josh Sokol
                                  wrote:<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> As requested, I have
                                  re-worded the proposed addition to the
                                  Bylaws to<br>
                                  >> include information about
                                  notification and an appeals process.
                                   Also, since<br>
                                  >> the most logical place to put
                                  this is in the membership section of
                                  the<br>
                                  >> bylaws, I modified to say
                                  that participation does not require
                                  membership.<br>
                                  >> Please discuss.<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Proposal: Add a new section
                                  to the OWASP Bylaws.<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> SECTION 4.07  Participation.
                                  Participation in OWASP activities<br>
                                  >> (conferences, meetings,
                                  mailings lists, projects, etc) does
                                  not require<br>
                                  >> membership, but is subject to
                                  adherence to the OWASP Code of Ethics,
                                  and<br>
                                  >> OWASP leaders may revoke the
                                  privilege of participation to those
                                  who choose<br>
                                  >> not to abide by that code.
                                   Notification of such a revocation
                                  must be made<br>
                                  >> to the individual in writing,
                                  with the OWASP Board of Directors CC'd
                                  for<br>
                                  >> inclusion in the Foundation
                                  records.  If an individual believes
                                  that this<br>
                                  >> revocation is unjustified,
                                  then they have the option to appeal
                                  the decision<br>
                                  >> by notifying the OWASP Board
                                  of Directors in writing within 14 days
                                  of the<br>
                                  >> original notification.<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> Thanks!<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >> ~josh<br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >><br>
                                  >>
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