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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Fabio, <br>
<br>
like the idea, but I fail to see why the board needs to vote on
this. <br>
It does not change the currently existing training model and is
merely an conveniently added option to the existing contract. <br>
I would see this in the capable hands of our ops team and their
advise. <br>
Have you talked with them about this yet? <br>
<br>
Best regards, Tobias<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 03/03/14 09:43, Fabio Cerullo wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">hi there,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would like to include this topic for voting today.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Although donating training funds is possible, and some of
you are already doing it, the fact to have it in writing as an
optional item in the contract makes it visible to ALL
potential trainers in the future.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Any questions, please let me know.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,<br>
Fabio<br>
<br>
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From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Fabio Cerullo</b> <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:fcerullo@owasp.org">fcerullo@owasp.org</a>></span><br>
Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:53 PM<br>
Subject: OWASP Training Model - Community Vote Results<br>
To: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:owasp-leaders@lists.owasp.org">owasp-leaders@lists.owasp.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:owasp-leaders@lists.owasp.org">owasp-leaders@lists.owasp.org</a>><br>
<br>
<br>
<div dir="ltr">Hi there,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You could find below the poll results of the proposed
changes to the OWASP Training Contract.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/spreadsheets/d/1oDmVQKlFQIvnfXJOnUaEG7UB5aQ_QpYbZDnA1AHZAns/edit?usp=sharing"
target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/spreadsheets/d/1oDmVQKlFQIvnfXJOnUaEG7UB5aQ_QpYbZDnA1AHZAns/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Based on these results, I will propose a few changes
to the wording of the contract at the upcoming Global
Board meeting.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>- Include an optional checkbox at the bottom of the
contract that states "I hereby donate my proceedings to
the OWASP Foundation and/or OWASP project of choice."</div>
<div>
<div>- Include an optional checkbox at the bottom of the
contract that states "I only want to receive travel
expenses as sole compensation for delivering this
training. The reimbursement limit is USD XXX (US
American dollars) as stipulated and agreed with the
OWASP Foundation"</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm looking forward to your feedback.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Thanks,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
Fabio<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:42
PM, Jerry Hoff <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jerry@owasp.org" target="_blank">jerry@owasp.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div>Hi team,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
For the upcoming training at AppSec APAC, I simply
asked Laura if my proceeds could be donated
directly to the Tokyo OWASP chapter who is hosting
the event, minus the printing of the books. This
was not done strictly out of altruism, I wasn't
comfortable writing in my SSN in on a word
document and sending it over email.
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>I think we should be good to go on this one -
Laura took care if it easily (thank you Laura) -
anyone can do this as of now! :) </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Grazie,</div>
<div>Jerry<br>
<div><br>
<div><br>
<div>
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Jerry Hoff</div>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">jerry@owasp.org</a><br>
<br>
<br>
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<div>
<div>
<br>
<div>
<div>On Feb 19, 2014, at 1:08 PM,
Fabio Cerullo <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:fcerullo@owasp.org"
target="_blank">fcerullo@owasp.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Eoin,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
We are not trying to make
significant changes here... only
remove the burden of
debit/credit transactions from
trainer to OWASP.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>By placing <span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">a
checkbox in the contract, any
trainer who is willing to
donate the earnings to OWASP
could do so by just
opting-in. Then the
transaction becomes
transparent and there is no
debit/credit involved - 100%
funds go directly to the OWASP
Foundation or project of
choice. I'm sure Alison will
appreciate knowing this
beforehand.<span></span></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">A
different topic altogether is
the request from OWASP
trainers to deliver training
absolutely free. I'm aware at
least Jim and Simon are
willing to deliver trainings
at no cost during major OWASP
conferences and they found
some friction.</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">The
survey is just a pulse from
the OWASP community, no
guarantees anything will
change but when there is a
will things usually happen.</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Regards</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Fabio</span></div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed,
Feb 19, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Eoin
Keary <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true">eoin.keary@owasp.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Currently there is
nothing stopping trainers
delivering classes for
free. Jim and myself have
been doing this since
2012. We are doing it next
week in San Francisco. We
have both partially self
funded the trip.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If a trainer wants to
charge and donate 100% of
the fees to owasp there is
nothing to stop this also.</div>
<div>The 60/40 is a default
setting. It encourages
high quality training and
trainers but also generate
revenue for the
foundation.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So what happens after
the result of this vote?
Do anything really change
given all scenarios are
optional.</div>
<span><font color="#888888">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<br>
Eoin Keary
<div>Owasp Global
Board</div>
<div><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%2087%20977%202988" value="+353879772988"
target="_blank">+353
87 977 2988</a></div>
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<div><br>
On 19 Feb 2014, at
14:25, Fabio Cerullo
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true">fcerullo@owasp.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear all,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As per the
current OWASP
Training Model (see
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/File:Training_Instructor_Agreement.doc"
target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/File:Training_Instructor_Agreement.doc</a>),
the payment schedule
for OWASP major
conferences is
established as a
60/40% split between
OWASP/Trainer. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also, the travel
expenses are
currently covered by
the trainer. It has
been proposed a
different payment
schedule in which
trainings are
offered for free or
to only cover the
expenses for the
trainer and all
proceedings going to
the OWASP Foundation
and/or a particular
project. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For full details
about the various
proposals discussed
at the OWASP Leaders
mailing list, please
visit: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2014-February/010869.html"
target="_blank">http://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2014-February/010869.html</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Could you please
cast your vote in
the following link
to answer the
question:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Should OWASP
allow other options
in addition to the
current training
model?<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a
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href="https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/forms/d/1OMmIHFLm6fouHwfSLB9sA7lCwvqtB4hdE8cnUFZ4meo/viewform"
target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/forms/d/1OMmIHFLm6fouHwfSLB9sA7lCwvqtB4hdE8cnUFZ4meo/viewform</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lines are open
for the next 72
hours (until
Saturday 22rd
February at
00:00GMT). After
that time, votes
will be counted and
results announced.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Make your voice
count! <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Fabio</div>
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