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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Fabio, <br>
      <br>
      like the idea, but I fail to see why the board needs to vote on
      this. <br>
      It does not change the currently existing training model and is
      merely an conveniently added option to the existing contract. <br>
      I would see this in the capable hands of our ops team and their
      advise. <br>
      Have you talked with them about this yet? <br>
      <br>
      Best regards, Tobias<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 03/03/14 09:43, Fabio Cerullo wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAE69ks7u8X2=gGq7Ew_1Y8LkcuN+hSYmcJYb-CPneDBeEXXbmA@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">hi there,
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I would like to include this topic for voting today.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Although donating training funds is possible, and some of
          you are already doing it, the fact to have it in writing as an
          optional item in the contract makes it visible to ALL
          potential trainers in the future.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Any questions, please let me know.</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>Thanks,<br>
          Fabio<br>
          <br>
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            From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Fabio Cerullo</b> <span
              dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:fcerullo@owasp.org">fcerullo@owasp.org</a>></span><br>
            Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:53 PM<br>
            Subject: OWASP Training Model - Community Vote Results<br>
            To: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:owasp-leaders@lists.owasp.org">owasp-leaders@lists.owasp.org</a>"
            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:owasp-leaders@lists.owasp.org">owasp-leaders@lists.owasp.org</a>><br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <div dir="ltr">Hi there,
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>You could find below the poll results of the proposed
                changes to the OWASP Training Contract.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/spreadsheets/d/1oDmVQKlFQIvnfXJOnUaEG7UB5aQ_QpYbZDnA1AHZAns/edit?usp=sharing"
                  target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/spreadsheets/d/1oDmVQKlFQIvnfXJOnUaEG7UB5aQ_QpYbZDnA1AHZAns/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
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              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Based on these results, I will propose a few changes
                to the wording of the contract at the upcoming Global
                Board meeting.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>- Include an optional checkbox at the bottom of the
                contract that states "I hereby donate my proceedings to
                the OWASP Foundation and/or OWASP project of choice."</div>
              <div>
                <div>- Include an optional checkbox at the bottom of the
                  contract that states "I only want to receive travel
                  expenses as sole compensation for delivering this
                  training. The reimbursement limit is USD XXX (US
                  American dollars) as stipulated and agreed with the
                  OWASP Foundation"</div>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>I'm looking forward to your feedback.<br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_extra">Thanks,</div>
              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                Fabio<br>
                <br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:42
                  PM, Jerry Hoff <span dir="ltr"><<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:jerry@owasp.org" target="_blank">jerry@owasp.org</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
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                      <div>Hi team,</div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      For the upcoming training at AppSec APAC, I simply
                      asked Laura if my proceeds could be donated
                      directly to the Tokyo OWASP chapter who is hosting
                      the event, minus the printing of the books.  This
                      was not done strictly out of altruism, I wasn't
                      comfortable writing in my SSN in on a word
                      document and sending it over email.
                      <div>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      <div>I think we should be good to go on this one -
                        Laura took care if it easily (thank you Laura) -
                        anyone can do this as of now! :) </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Grazie,</div>
                      <div>Jerry<br>
                        <div><br>
                          <div><br>
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                                Jerry Hoff</div>
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                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:jerry@owasp.org"
                                  target="_blank">jerry@owasp.org</a><br>
                                <br>
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                                  <div>On Feb 19, 2014, at 1:08 PM,
                                    Fabio Cerullo <<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:fcerullo@owasp.org"
                                      target="_blank">fcerullo@owasp.org</a>>
                                    wrote:</div>
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                                    <div dir="ltr">Eoin,
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        We are not trying to make
                                        significant changes here... only
                                        remove the burden of
                                        debit/credit transactions from
                                        trainer to OWASP.</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>By placing <span
                                          style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">a
                                          checkbox in the contract, any
                                          trainer who is willing to
                                          donate the earnings to OWASP
                                          could do so by just
                                          opting-in. Then the
                                          transaction becomes
                                          transparent and there is no
                                          debit/credit involved - 100%
                                          funds go directly to the OWASP
                                          Foundation or project of
                                          choice. I'm sure Alison will
                                          appreciate knowing this
                                          beforehand.<span></span></span></div>
                                      <div><span
                                          style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
                                        </span></div>
                                      <div><span
                                          style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">A
                                          different topic altogether is
                                          the request from OWASP
                                          trainers to deliver training
                                          absolutely free. I'm aware at
                                          least Jim and Simon are
                                          willing to deliver trainings
                                          at no cost during major OWASP
                                          conferences and they found
                                          some friction.</span></div>
                                      <div><span
                                          style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
                                        </span></div>
                                      <div><span
                                          style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">The
                                          survey is just a pulse from
                                          the OWASP community, no
                                          guarantees anything will
                                          change but when there is a
                                          will things usually happen.</span></div>
                                      <div><span
                                          style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br>
                                        </span></div>
                                      <div><span
                                          style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Regards</span></div>
                                      <div><span
                                          style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Fabio</span></div>
                                    </div>
                                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed,
                                        Feb 19, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Eoin
                                        Keary <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">eoin.keary@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                            <div>Currently there is
                                              nothing stopping trainers
                                              delivering classes for
                                              free. Jim and myself have
                                              been doing this since
                                              2012. We are doing it next
                                              week in San Francisco. We
                                              have both partially self
                                              funded the trip.</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>If a trainer wants to
                                              charge and donate 100% of
                                              the fees to owasp there is
                                              nothing to stop this also.</div>
                                            <div>The 60/40 is a default
                                              setting. It encourages
                                              high quality training and
                                              trainers but also generate
                                              revenue for the
                                              foundation.</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>So what happens after
                                              the result of this vote?
                                              Do anything really change
                                              given all scenarios are
                                              optional.</div>
                                            <span><font color="#888888">
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Eoin Keary
                                                  <div>Owasp Global
                                                    Board</div>
                                                  <div><a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B353%2087%20977%202988" value="+353879772988"
                                                      target="_blank">+353
                                                      87 977 2988</a></div>
                                                  <div><br>
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                                              <div><br>
                                                On 19 Feb 2014, at
                                                14:25, Fabio Cerullo
                                                <<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">fcerullo@owasp.org</a>>
                                                wrote:<br>
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                                                <div dir="ltr">Dear all,
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>As per the
                                                    current OWASP
                                                    Training Model (see
                                                    <a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/File:Training_Instructor_Agreement.doc"
                                                      target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/File:Training_Instructor_Agreement.doc</a>),
                                                    the payment schedule
                                                    for OWASP major
                                                    conferences is
                                                    established as a
                                                    60/40% split between
                                                    OWASP/Trainer. </div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Also, the travel
                                                    expenses are
                                                    currently covered by
                                                    the trainer. It has
                                                    been proposed a
                                                    different payment
                                                    schedule in which
                                                    trainings are
                                                    offered for free or
                                                    to only cover the
                                                    expenses for the
                                                    trainer and all
                                                    proceedings going to
                                                    the OWASP Foundation
                                                    and/or a particular
                                                    project. </div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>For full details
                                                    about the various
                                                    proposals discussed
                                                    at the OWASP Leaders
                                                    mailing list, please
                                                    visit: <a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2014-February/010869.html"
                                                      target="_blank">http://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2014-February/010869.html</a><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Could you please
                                                    cast your vote in
                                                    the following link
                                                    to answer the
                                                    question:</div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Should OWASP
                                                    allow other options
                                                    in addition to the
                                                    current training
                                                    model?<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/forms/d/1OMmIHFLm6fouHwfSLB9sA7lCwvqtB4hdE8cnUFZ4meo/viewform"
                                                      target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/forms/d/1OMmIHFLm6fouHwfSLB9sA7lCwvqtB4hdE8cnUFZ4meo/viewform</a><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Lines are open
                                                    for the next 72
                                                    hours (until
                                                    Saturday 22rd
                                                    February at
                                                    00:00GMT). After
                                                    that time, votes
                                                    will be counted and
                                                    results announced.</div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Make your voice
                                                    count! <br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>Regards,</div>
                                                  <div>Fabio</div>
                                                  <div><br>
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                                                <span>OWASP-Leaders
                                                  mailing list</span><br>
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