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      ok, I added my suggestions for specific metrics. <br>
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      Two comments: <br>
      1. As with all metrics they are not perfect and people can game
      the system, so I don't like them to be used as "bonus measures".
      At least not with close oversight and using some common sense.<br>
      2. When setting goals and metrics, I normally ask my staff to
      themselves propose/suggest the metrics on how they want to be
      measured. <br>
      I suggest to ask Sarah and the whole team to make proposals about
      how they would like to measure their success of the tasks. They
      might have some good ideas for metrics that are not too difficult
      to use. <br>
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      All the best, Tobias<br>
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      On 04/01/14 03:38, Josh Sokol wrote:<br>
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      <p dir="ltr">I did.  You removed the ones I added and moved them
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      <p dir="ltr">~josh</p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 3, 2014 9:01 PM, "Michael Coates"
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                --<br>
                Michael Coates<br>
                Chair, Global Board<br>
                OWASP <br>
                @_mwc<br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 6:40 PM,
              Josh Sokol <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  <div>I feel like most of these "Metrics of Success"
                    are too flakey, and while Attainable and Relevant,
                    they are not Specific, Measurable, and Time-Bound. 
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                    While I understand the desire to leave the details
                    to the operational team for execution (yes, I read
                    my intro books), I also feel that we need to provide
                    better metrics of what we, as a Board, envision to
                    call these initiatives a success once complete. 
                    These "Metrics of Success", as defined, end up being
                    more like a sub-goal than any sort of success
                    metric.  I don't mind the language, but still feel
                    that some more specifics on what we are looking for
                    are in order.<br>
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                      <div>On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Michael
                        Coates <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                              <div>Board,<br>
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                                Please take a look at the updated
                                wording for the 2014 strategic goals. <br>
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                              I added metrics of success that provide
                              direction and measurement of success, but
                              are also not directly prescriptive. I
                              think it's important for us to state the
                              desired outcome (i.e. the goal) and let
                              our talented operations team dig into the
                              best way to achieve those outcomes.<br>
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                              Please take a look and provide feedback in
                              the document or on this thread.<br>
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                              <b>I'd like to vote to finalize the
                                wording on Friday, January 10, 2014.</b><br>
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                                      --<br>
                                      Michael Coates<br>
                                      @_mwc<br>
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