[Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search

Michael Coates michael.coates at owasp.org
Fri Jun 16 18:48:52 UTC 2017


Great!

Thanks for all the additional questions.

I'm on board.


--
Michael Coates | @_mwc <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=_mwc>
OWASP Global Board





On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:

> 1. Will Scion pre-screen candidates that they select with pre-defined
> questions that we can provide? This is a normal 15 minute type discussion
> that can cover some basics like location, timeline, etc.
>
> My understanding is that the first stage of Scion's process is to talk
> with people in our organization about what we are looking for.  These are
> hour long meetings and I'm sure they'd be happy to have pre-defined
> questions provided to help weed out inappropriate candidates.
>
> 2. Will Scion be handling all communications with the candidates for items
> like scheduling  the interview times, follow up for declines or continued
> interest, etc?
>
> Yes.  My understanding is that Scion would be handling all of the
> communications with the candidates, scheduling of interviews, follow up,
> etc.
>
> ~josh
>
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Josh. This makes more sense to me now. I originally mentally
>> thought of this as hiring a headhunter firm to help source/find candidates.
>> But, instead we're looking to outsource our entire hiring process
>> (including sourcing) with the caveat that our interview team will of course
>> still do the interviews and decide.
>>
>> With that in mind, it makes more sense why you wouldn't want us to
>> directly accept resumes. We don't have any of the process available
>> (filtering candidates, communications with candidates, initial pre-screens,
>> etc)
>>
>> Now that I understand this better I have just a few more questions:
>>
>> 1. Will Scion pre-screen candidates that they select with pre-defined
>> questions that we can provide? This is a normal 15 minute type discussion
>> that can cover some basics like location, timeline, etc.
>>
>> 2. Will Scion be handling all communications with the candidates for
>> items like scheduling  the interview times, follow up for declines or
>> continued interest, etc?
>>
>>
>> #1 is a benefit that would be normal to many interview processes. Would
>> be great if they do that, but not a deal breaker.
>> #2 is something we'd have to have someone do regardless. Good to know who
>> is on the hook.
>>
>>
>> Thanks again Josh.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Coates | @_mwc <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=_mwc>
>> OWASP Global Board
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> Thanks.  It makes more sense now that I know where you're coming from on
>>> it.  That said, I still don't think that any of us have the time to be able
>>> to dedicate to running a separate search.  To answer your questions.
>>>
>>> 1. Would Scion be hosting their own inbound application portal? (It
>>> sounds like from your note they would). If so, are they doing any
>>> vetting/interviewing?
>>>
>>> Yes.  "Bullhorn" is their own inbound application portal.  Yes.  They
>>> are doing all of the upfront vetting/interviewing and only passing along
>>> the applicants who they feel are appropriate for our needs.
>>>
>>> 2. After we get a candidate form Scion we have to do our normal
>>> interview process with OWASP itnterview team. Would this be tracked in the
>>> Scion Bullhorn interview app?
>>>
>>> Yes, I believe that we would be using the Bullhorn application as well.
>>>
>>> 3. If OWASP community/employee/etc wanted to refer a candidate that we
>>> know of, where would they apply? Similarly, if a random person saw the job
>>> description (e.g. someone Scion didn't find) where would they submit? To
>>> Scion's bullhorn interview site? If we chose that candidate, would we pay
>>> Scion the same fee?
>>>
>>> Yes, they would submit through the Bullhorn site.  They are still
>>> vetting all of the candidates to ensure that they meet our needs.  Scion
>>> would still be helping to craft the job description, conducting the
>>> process, advertising the position for us, etc.  I believe that we would
>>> still pay the same fee, but we can certainly try to negotiate that.  If
>>> this is your main concern, then again, this comes down to money.  We have
>>> no HR team and no expertise on our Board or staff when it comes to
>>> recruiting an ED and we've seen a fair amount of criticism over our
>>> previous effort.  You wouldn't hire a plumber to do a penetration test,
>>> would you?  Why would you expect a bunch of security professionals to know
>>> how to properly recruit an Executive Director?  If we can get consensus on
>>> moving forward with Scion (or a similar company), then I'm willing to lead
>>> the charge on this.  If we're bent on doing it ourselves, then someone else
>>> will need to lead this effort, as I know I don't have the time required for
>>> filtering through the hundreds of resumes that we will likely receive, and
>>> I don't think we can expect a bunch of volunteers to do that either.
>>>
>>> ~josh
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Michael Coates <
>>> michael.coates at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Josh,
>>>>
>>>> Here's a bit more explanation on what I'm noodling on and a few
>>>> questions for you to help make sure I have all my data straight. Thanks
>>>> again for taking the call with them.
>>>>
>>>> Many companies approach this type of situation with the company driving
>>>> the search and any additional supporting contractors are helping source
>>>> candidates. So, the headhunter organization might find the right candidate
>>>> or the right candidate might apply directly or be referred by an
>>>> employee/community member/ etc.
>>>>
>>>> Josh - a few clarifying questions to understand proposed
>>>> relationship/process with scion.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Would Scion be hosting their own inbound application portal? (It
>>>> sounds like from your note they would). If so, are they doing any
>>>> vetting/interviewing?
>>>>
>>>> 2. After we get a candidate form Scion we have to do our normal
>>>> interview process with OWASP itnterview team. Would this be tracked in the
>>>> Scion Bullhorn interview app?
>>>>
>>>> 3. If OWASP community/employee/etc wanted to refer a candidate that we
>>>> know of, where would they apply? Similarly, if a random person saw the job
>>>> description (e.g. someone Scion didn't find) where would they submit? To
>>>> Scion's bullhorn interview site? If we chose that candidate, would we pay
>>>> Scion the same fee?
>>>>
>>>> As you can guess, point 3 is my main concern. I think we can manage
>>>> items 1 and 2.
>>>> Many companies will have headhunters source and vet potential
>>>> candidates and then refer them through the single interview process owned
>>>> by the company. This way the company maintains control/visibility of all
>>>> candidates and the headhunter only gets paid if they submit the chosen
>>>> candidate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts? Let me know if I'm misunderstanding any points too.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Michael Coates | @_mwc
>>>> <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=_mwc>
>>>> OWASP Global Board
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Where is the value in this approach, other than saving money?
>>>>>
>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +I agree with Micheal on this, just for the record. Sorry Josh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bev
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand what you're getting at here by wanting to be able to
>>>>>>> solicit our own candidates as well, but I think it would be incredibly
>>>>>>> confusing to have two copies of our job description out there, two sites to
>>>>>>> submit a resume two, and two different processes for candidate reviews.
>>>>>>> While I don't necessarily think it needs to be an all or nothing approach,
>>>>>>> I think that we should refrain from actively trying to recruit candidates
>>>>>>> against the process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Michael Coates <
>>>>>>> michael.coates at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I recommend a parallel approach. We engage the professionals and we
>>>>>>>> post ourself and conduct interviews.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We go with the right candidate through whatever channel they come.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:46 AM Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Board,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can appreciate that everyone is busy with other stuff going on
>>>>>>>>> right now.  I am too.  That said, I am stalled on the ED search waiting for
>>>>>>>>> a consensus on this item and we need to pick a direction.  Do we continue
>>>>>>>>> to try and write job descriptions, solicit candidates, and review all
>>>>>>>>> candidates ourselves or do we leverage the experience of a firm who has
>>>>>>>>> done this with hundreds of other organizations similar to ours in the past,
>>>>>>>>> knowing that it will cost us a fairly significant amount of money to do
>>>>>>>>> so?  My recommendation, knowing that everyone has other time commitments
>>>>>>>>> here as well, is that we defer to the experts to get this process rolling
>>>>>>>>> ASAP.  I feel that our mistake on the first go around was that we tried to
>>>>>>>>> do this ourselves, and wound up with a shortage of qualified candidates as
>>>>>>>>> a result.  I would prefer not to make that same mistake again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Tom Pappas <
>>>>>>>>> tpappas at virtualmgmt.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Josh yes I agree that the ED search is extremely important
>>>>>>>>>> and needs to get under way.  I will always counsel a non profit when an
>>>>>>>>>> anticipated spend goes into high five figures when there are programs that
>>>>>>>>>> could benefit from that spend.  That said I would suggest we keep all
>>>>>>>>>> options open and see what comes in from outside as we would only be
>>>>>>>>>> obligated to pay the fee if we chose one of their candidates and they
>>>>>>>>>> accepted the offer.  I have one resume already I will be sending over for
>>>>>>>>>> review.  I will let Matt answer your question on his ability to handle the
>>>>>>>>>> ED duties as was discussed on the board call but will reiterate again my
>>>>>>>>>> support for him and that I know he would do an excellent job as ED should
>>>>>>>>>> the board decide to make that offer.  Take care
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> From: Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: ‎6/‎13/‎2017 2:42 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Matt Tesauro <matt.tesauro at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Tom Pappas <tpappas at virtualmgmt.com>; OWASP Board List
>>>>>>>>>> <owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Matt and Tom, for the updates with respect to the
>>>>>>>>>> budget.  Honestly, I cannot imagine a more important thing for us to be
>>>>>>>>>> spending our money on right now as lacking an Executive Director is
>>>>>>>>>> creating a number of issues, currently, and hiring an Executive Director is
>>>>>>>>>> crucial to the future of the OWASP Foundation.  The ED search will take
>>>>>>>>>> substantial time and resources that can only be moved so far with our
>>>>>>>>>> current resources, and with Kate leaving, our existing staff will be
>>>>>>>>>> stretched even more thin.  Unless somebody has the cycles to take this on
>>>>>>>>>> as a significant portion of their daily activities, I'm afraid I don't see
>>>>>>>>>> another option other than to move forward with a professional recruiter.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure that we have other options in that realm, but I think these guys
>>>>>>>>>> seem as good as any.  Perhaps we could ask for a referral to close the loop
>>>>>>>>>> on that, but that shouldn't be an impediment to funding the search.
>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Matt Tesauro <
>>>>>>>>>> matt.tesauro at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Josh,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Two clarifications:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (1) The ED salary was basically divided by 2 since the start was
>>>>>>>>>>> July - the entire salary was never budgeted.  If memory serves, there's
>>>>>>>>>>> $75k in that budget item for salary from July to December.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (2) Whatever the state of the budget and revenue is currently,
>>>>>>>>>>> there are two large unknowns on the horizon that need to be considered:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    1. The London Summit - currently trending towards a loss -
>>>>>>>>>>>    the size of that loss is unknown but likely large as some logistics were
>>>>>>>>>>>    handled late which doesn't allow for careful cost considerations.  On day
>>>>>>>>>>>    2, the staffing costs have already exceeded the budgeted amount for the
>>>>>>>>>>>    event.
>>>>>>>>>>>    2. AppSec USA - registration isn't open yet and we're far
>>>>>>>>>>>    enough out that the financial impact is unknown for this event and its
>>>>>>>>>>>    typically planned to greatly augment revenue.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> -- Matt Tesauro
>>>>>>>>>>> OWASP AppSec Pipeline Lead
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_AppSec_Pipeline
>>>>>>>>>>> OWASP WTE Project Lead
>>>>>>>>>>> *https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Web_Testing_Environment_Project
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Web_Testing_Environment_Project>*
>>>>>>>>>>> http://AppSecLive.org <http://appseclive.org/> - Community and
>>>>>>>>>>> Download site
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Josh Sokol <
>>>>>>>>>>> josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Tom.  I understand that from a budget standpoint we
>>>>>>>>>>>> moved the ED hire to later in the year.  I guess what I was wondering is
>>>>>>>>>>>> what was done with the money that had been allocated for that position up
>>>>>>>>>>>> until that point?  Has it been spent on another initiative?  Also, I seem
>>>>>>>>>>>> to remember an update at the Board meeting saying that we were ahead of our
>>>>>>>>>>>> revenue goals at this point, this year.  Do you have a rough estimate of
>>>>>>>>>>>> how much ahead that would be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Tom Pappas <
>>>>>>>>>>>> tpappas at virtualmgmt.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Josh,  so I can answer this, the ED is in the budget for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2017 starting in July for the 2nd half of the year as the Feb
>>>>>>>>>>>>> board meeting it was moved to go with the O&A comm until then.  As for your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> note regarding Virtual below, after the Board call last week and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> portion of the Exec session that I attended it seemed the board was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> weighing its options.  Please let us know if you have made a decision and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we can move forward.  Take care, let us know if you have any questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas S. Pappas, MSA |   Senior Vice President of Finance &
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Administration | Virtual, Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> D: +1-781-876-8914 <(781)%20876-8914>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> F:  +1-781-623-8460 <(781)%20623-8460>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *tpappas at virtualmgmt.com <tpappas at virtualmgmt.com>*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 401 Edgewater Place, Suite 600, Wakefield, MA 01880
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: cid:image001.png at 01CE7100.10DF2040]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* owasp-board-bounces+tpappas=vi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rtualmgmt.com at lists.owasp.org [mailto:owasp-board-bounces+tp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appas=virtualmgmt.com at lists.owasp.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sokol
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:47 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Martin Knobloch <martin.knobloch at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* OWASP Board List <owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To Martin's point...did we already allocate the money for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> first half of the year for the ED role?  Regarding Alison, I believe we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> agreed in the last Board meeting to move forward with the virtual offering,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least for the time being.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:42 AM, Martin Knobloch <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> martin.knobloch at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand Andrew's reasoning, but not concur 100% with your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> statement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The chance we find a ED inside the next 6 month is limited due
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to election process and all. Therefore, the salary will be only partial for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this year, not the full annual salary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering we would find an ED (most optimistically) in 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>> month (she/he would start 1st of October), only 1/4th of the annual salary
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is applicable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As previously discussed, it is more likely the process of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> finding and hiring and ED will take more likely half an year and therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>> we should still consider hiring a temporary ED.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to find a replacement for Kate is not really an option, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this will cause a lot of operational stuff not to be picked-up. That said,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there an overview of responsibilities and tasks for each of the staff
>>>>>>>>>>>>> member?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -martin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Andrew van der Stock <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vanderaj at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically we need to decide if we are going to replace both
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kate and Alison. If not, then you have my blessing to go forward as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Treasurer but this does mean no Kate replacement this financial year. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> assuming we will outsource Alison's role to Virtual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Josh Sokol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 June 2017 11:03
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To: *Matt Konda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Cc: *OWASP Board List
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attached is the proposal from Scion Executive Search.  Based
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on their estimate of $115k-$135k salary given similar positions, it sounds
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like their fee would range from about $34,500 to $44,500, depending on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whether we want a 6 or 12 month placement guarantee.  That's all expenses
>>>>>>>>>>>>> included.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *[image: Image removed by sender.] Scion Executive Search
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposal - Open Web Appl...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/a/owasp.org/file/d/0Bw1W2qFZ-xDGeWl6WUNIdlk3b3hSM0lvUmxKZjlBREFTZnlV/view?usp=drive_web>*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Josh Sokol <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Board,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attached is the recording from the meeting with SCION
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Search (https://scionexecutivesearch.com/).  A big
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks to Claudia and Dawn who joined me as well.  Here are some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> notes I took:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Work with a lot of membership based organization
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Been around for ~12 years
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Worked with organizations of many sizes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - People from SCION are all involved with non-profits
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Main company is SCION Staffing, which does tech and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    corporate staffing at the executive level
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Isaac has a legal degree
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Has led over 500 searches
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Services:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ·
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Retained executive searches
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - Meetings to make sure description is good and set clear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          expectations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          - Go out through network to create pool
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          - Evaluate individuals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          - Assist in showing top candidates and why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Job Description*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get in more strategy and more goals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Missing more global things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would “passionately” be interested in helping us lead this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> search.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Know we could find an exceptional ED
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have done a lot of this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can have hundreds of candidates for a job like this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only thing not included is criminal background check fee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (billed exact cost - few hundred dollars max)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Costs for candidate travel, if required
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have their own resume platform (Bullhorn)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Average salary is between $115k-135k for a similar position
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Run public recruitment for 2-3 months.  Prefer 3 months and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then submit talent back.  Do expedite searches for 2 months publicly.  Some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversations needed beforehand (5-7 of most influential people).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lower scale guarantee is 6 months, upper is 1 year
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Methods: Check website for 10-step process.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I, personally, came away with a good feeling about them and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their ability to lead this search on our behalf.  Given that we all have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> other commitments, I think that having a partner like this to drive our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> search would be well worth the money.  They will have a formal proposal out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to me by the end of the day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Josh Sokol <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is 3 PM CST, btw.  Not EST.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Matt Konda <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> matt.konda at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Josh.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Konda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> @mkonda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went ahead and just scheduled a GoToMeeting for it anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to join me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SCION Executive Search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jun 12, 2017 at 3:00 pm - 4:00 pm EDT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please visit & join the meeting space from your computer,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tablet, or smartphone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://gotomeet.me/owasp/scion-executive-search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can also dial in using your phone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2073 <(877)%20309-2073>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> United States: +1 (786) 535-3219 <(786)%20535-3219>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Access Code: 911-863-413
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Israel (toll-free): 1 809 454 830
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Italy (toll-free): 800 793887
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Japan (toll-free): 0 120 663 800
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806150880
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 22104
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6851
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 925 0372
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0182
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 44 5550
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Norway (toll-free): 800 69 046
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Panama (toll-free): 00 800 226 8832
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peru (toll-free): 0 800 54682
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1110 1661
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poland (toll-free): 00 800 1213979
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Portugal (toll-free): 800 819 575
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 029
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Russian Federation (toll-free): 8 800 100 6201
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 814 2382 <(800)%20814-2382>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 2992
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 555 447
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spain (toll-free): 900 831 178
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sweden (toll-free): 020 980 772
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 562 768
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 854
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 658 131
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 23683
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 1645
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40439
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 800 031 4744
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uruguay (toll-free): 0004 019 1018
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Viet Nam (toll-free): 122 80 481
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Josh Sokol <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Board,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The company that I mentioned, SCION Executive Search (
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://scionexecutivesearch.com/) that specializes in ED/CEO
>>>>>>>>>>>>> searches for non-profit corporations responded back.  I am setting up a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> call with them at 3 PM CST today to review.  Right now, they are planning
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on calling me directly, but I would be happy to set up a GoToMeeting if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> others would be interested in joining.  It sounds like fees for ED searches
>>>>>>>>>>>>> led by them are 30% to 33% of the first years annual salary, depending on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the guarantee level we require.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Owasp-board mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Owasp-board at lists.owasp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-board
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Owasp-board at lists.owasp.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-board
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=_mwc>
>>>>>>>> OWASP Global Board
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