[Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search

Josh Sokol josh.sokol at owasp.org
Thu Jun 15 16:48:44 UTC 2017


Where is the value in this approach, other than saving money?

~josh

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:

> +I agree with Micheal on this, just for the record. Sorry Josh.
>
> Bev
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> I understand what you're getting at here by wanting to be able to solicit
>> our own candidates as well, but I think it would be incredibly confusing to
>> have two copies of our job description out there, two sites to submit a
>> resume two, and two different processes for candidate reviews.  While I
>> don't necessarily think it needs to be an all or nothing approach, I think
>> that we should refrain from actively trying to recruit candidates against
>> the process.
>>
>> ~josh
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I recommend a parallel approach. We engage the professionals and we post
>>> ourself and conduct interviews.
>>>
>>> We go with the right candidate through whatever channel they come.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:46 AM Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Board,
>>>>
>>>> I can appreciate that everyone is busy with other stuff going on right
>>>> now.  I am too.  That said, I am stalled on the ED search waiting for a
>>>> consensus on this item and we need to pick a direction.  Do we continue to
>>>> try and write job descriptions, solicit candidates, and review all
>>>> candidates ourselves or do we leverage the experience of a firm who has
>>>> done this with hundreds of other organizations similar to ours in the past,
>>>> knowing that it will cost us a fairly significant amount of money to do
>>>> so?  My recommendation, knowing that everyone has other time commitments
>>>> here as well, is that we defer to the experts to get this process rolling
>>>> ASAP.  I feel that our mistake on the first go around was that we tried to
>>>> do this ourselves, and wound up with a shortage of qualified candidates as
>>>> a result.  I would prefer not to make that same mistake again.
>>>>
>>>> ~josh
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Tom Pappas <tpappas at virtualmgmt.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Josh yes I agree that the ED search is extremely important and
>>>>> needs to get under way.  I will always counsel a non profit when an
>>>>> anticipated spend goes into high five figures when there are programs that
>>>>> could benefit from that spend.  That said I would suggest we keep all
>>>>> options open and see what comes in from outside as we would only be
>>>>> obligated to pay the fee if we chose one of their candidates and they
>>>>> accepted the offer.  I have one resume already I will be sending over for
>>>>> review.  I will let Matt answer your question on his ability to handle the
>>>>> ED duties as was discussed on the board call but will reiterate again my
>>>>> support for him and that I know he would do an excellent job as ED should
>>>>> the board decide to make that offer.  Take care
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> From: Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>> Sent: ‎6/‎13/‎2017 2:42 PM
>>>>> To: Matt Tesauro <matt.tesauro at owasp.org>
>>>>> Cc: Tom Pappas <tpappas at virtualmgmt.com>; OWASP Board List
>>>>> <owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you, Matt and Tom, for the updates with respect to the budget.
>>>>> Honestly, I cannot imagine a more important thing for us to be spending our
>>>>> money on right now as lacking an Executive Director is creating a number of
>>>>> issues, currently, and hiring an Executive Director is crucial to the
>>>>> future of the OWASP Foundation.  The ED search will take substantial time
>>>>> and resources that can only be moved so far with our current resources, and
>>>>> with Kate leaving, our existing staff will be stretched even more thin.
>>>>> Unless somebody has the cycles to take this on as a significant portion of
>>>>> their daily activities, I'm afraid I don't see another option other than to
>>>>> move forward with a professional recruiter.  I'm sure that we have other
>>>>> options in that realm, but I think these guys seem as good as any.  Perhaps
>>>>> we could ask for a referral to close the loop on that, but that shouldn't
>>>>> be an impediment to funding the search.  Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Matt Tesauro <matt.tesauro at owasp.org
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Josh,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two clarifications:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (1) The ED salary was basically divided by 2 since the start was July
>>>>>> - the entire salary was never budgeted.  If memory serves, there's $75k in
>>>>>> that budget item for salary from July to December.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (2) Whatever the state of the budget and revenue is currently, there
>>>>>> are two large unknowns on the horizon that need to be considered:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    1. The London Summit - currently trending towards a loss - the
>>>>>>    size of that loss is unknown but likely large as some logistics were
>>>>>>    handled late which doesn't allow for careful cost considerations.  On day
>>>>>>    2, the staffing costs have already exceeded the budgeted amount for the
>>>>>>    event.
>>>>>>    2. AppSec USA - registration isn't open yet and we're far enough
>>>>>>    out that the financial impact is unknown for this event and its typically
>>>>>>    planned to greatly augment revenue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> -- Matt Tesauro
>>>>>> OWASP AppSec Pipeline Lead
>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_AppSec_Pipeline
>>>>>> OWASP WTE Project Lead
>>>>>> *https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Web_Testing_Environment_Project
>>>>>> <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Web_Testing_Environment_Project>*
>>>>>> http://AppSecLive.org <http://appseclive.org/> - Community and
>>>>>> Download site
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you, Tom.  I understand that from a budget standpoint we moved
>>>>>>> the ED hire to later in the year.  I guess what I was wondering is what was
>>>>>>> done with the money that had been allocated for that position up until that
>>>>>>> point?  Has it been spent on another initiative?  Also, I seem to remember
>>>>>>> an update at the Board meeting saying that we were ahead of our revenue
>>>>>>> goals at this point, this year.  Do you have a rough estimate of how much
>>>>>>> ahead that would be?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Tom Pappas <tpappas at virtualmgmt.com
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello Josh,  so I can answer this, the ED is in the budget for 2017
>>>>>>>> starting in July for the 2nd half of the year as the Feb board
>>>>>>>> meeting it was moved to go with the O&A comm until then.  As for your note
>>>>>>>> regarding Virtual below, after the Board call last week and the portion of
>>>>>>>> the Exec session that I attended it seemed the board was weighing its
>>>>>>>> options.  Please let us know if you have made a decision and we can move
>>>>>>>> forward.  Take care, let us know if you have any questions.  Take care
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thomas S. Pappas, MSA |   Senior Vice President of Finance &
>>>>>>>> Administration | Virtual, Inc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> D: +1-781-876-8914 <(781)%20876-8914>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> F:  +1-781-623-8460 <(781)%20623-8460>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *tpappas at virtualmgmt.com <tpappas at virtualmgmt.com>*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 401 Edgewater Place, Suite 600, Wakefield, MA 01880
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [image: cid:image001.png at 01CE7100.10DF2040]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* owasp-board-bounces+tpappas=virtualmgmt.com at lists.owasp.org
>>>>>>>> [mailto:owasp-board-bounces+tpappas=virtualmgmt.com at lists.owasp.org]
>>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Sokol
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:47 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* Martin Knobloch <martin.knobloch at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>> *Cc:* OWASP Board List <owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To Martin's point...did we already allocate the money for the first
>>>>>>>> half of the year for the ED role?  Regarding Alison, I believe we agreed in
>>>>>>>> the last Board meeting to move forward with the virtual offering, at least
>>>>>>>> for the time being.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:42 AM, Martin Knobloch <
>>>>>>>> martin.knobloch at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I understand Andrew's reasoning, but not concur 100% with your
>>>>>>>> statement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The chance we find a ED inside the next 6 month is limited due to
>>>>>>>> election process and all. Therefore, the salary will be only partial for
>>>>>>>> this year, not the full annual salary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Considering we would find an ED (most optimistically) in 3 month
>>>>>>>> (she/he would start 1st of October), only 1/4th of the annual salary is
>>>>>>>> applicable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As previously discussed, it is more likely the process of finding
>>>>>>>> and hiring and ED will take more likely half an year and therefore we
>>>>>>>> should still consider hiring a temporary ED.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not to find a replacement for Kate is not really an option, as this
>>>>>>>> will cause a lot of operational stuff not to be picked-up. That said, is
>>>>>>>> there an overview of responsibilities and tasks for each of the staff
>>>>>>>> member?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -martin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Andrew van der Stock <
>>>>>>>> vanderaj at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Basically we need to decide if we are going to replace both Kate
>>>>>>>> and Alison. If not, then you have my blessing to go forward as Treasurer
>>>>>>>> but this does mean no Kate replacement this financial year. I am assuming
>>>>>>>> we will outsource Alison's role to Virtual.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From: *Josh Sokol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 June 2017 11:03
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *To: *Matt Konda
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Cc: *OWASP Board List
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attached is the proposal from Scion Executive Search.  Based on
>>>>>>>> their estimate of $115k-$135k salary given similar positions, it sounds
>>>>>>>> like their fee would range from about $34,500 to $44,500, depending on
>>>>>>>> whether we want a 6 or 12 month placement guarantee.  That's all expenses
>>>>>>>> included.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *[image: Image removed by sender.] Scion Executive Search Proposal
>>>>>>>> - Open Web Appl...
>>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/a/owasp.org/file/d/0Bw1W2qFZ-xDGeWl6WUNIdlk3b3hSM0lvUmxKZjlBREFTZnlV/view?usp=drive_web>*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Board,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attached is the recording from the meeting with SCION Executive
>>>>>>>> Search (https://scionexecutivesearch.com/).  A big thanks to
>>>>>>>> Claudia and Dawn who joined me as well.  Here are some of the notes I took:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    - Work with a lot of membership based organization
>>>>>>>>    - Been around for ~12 years
>>>>>>>>    - Worked with organizations of many sizes
>>>>>>>>    - People from SCION are all involved with non-profits
>>>>>>>>    - Main company is SCION Staffing, which does tech and corporate
>>>>>>>>    staffing at the executive level
>>>>>>>>    - Isaac has a legal degree
>>>>>>>>    - Has led over 500 searches
>>>>>>>>    - Services:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ·
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    - Retained executive searches
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> o
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    - Meetings to make sure description is good and set clear
>>>>>>>>          expectations
>>>>>>>>          - Go out through network to create pool
>>>>>>>>          - Evaluate individuals
>>>>>>>>          - Assist in showing top candidates and why
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Job Description*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great start
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Get in more strategy and more goals
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Missing more global things
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would “passionately” be interested in helping us lead this search.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Know we could find an exceptional ED
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have done a lot of this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can have hundreds of candidates for a job like this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only thing not included is criminal background check fee (billed
>>>>>>>> exact cost - few hundred dollars max)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Costs for candidate travel, if required
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have their own resume platform (Bullhorn)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Average salary is between $115k-135k for a similar position
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Run public recruitment for 2-3 months.  Prefer 3 months and then
>>>>>>>> submit talent back.  Do expedite searches for 2 months publicly.  Some
>>>>>>>> conversations needed beforehand (5-7 of most influential people).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lower scale guarantee is 6 months, upper is 1 year
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Methods: Check website for 10-step process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I, personally, came away with a good feeling about them and their
>>>>>>>> ability to lead this search on our behalf.  Given that we all have other
>>>>>>>> commitments, I think that having a partner like this to drive our search
>>>>>>>> would be well worth the money.  They will have a formal proposal out to me
>>>>>>>> by the end of the day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is 3 PM CST, btw.  Not EST.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Matt Konda <matt.konda at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Josh.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matt Konda
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @mkonda
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I went ahead and just scheduled a GoToMeeting for it anyway.  Feel
>>>>>>>> free to join me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SCION Executive Search
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jun 12, 2017 at 3:00 pm - 4:00 pm EDT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please visit & join the meeting space from your computer, tablet,
>>>>>>>> or smartphone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://gotomeet.me/owasp/scion-executive-search
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can also dial in using your phone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2073 <(877)%20309-2073>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> United States: +1 (786) 535-3219 <(786)%20535-3219>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Access Code: 911-863-413
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More phone numbers:
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Board,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The company that I mentioned, SCION Executive Search (
>>>>>>>> https://scionexecutivesearch.com/) that specializes in ED/CEO
>>>>>>>> searches for non-profit corporations responded back.  I am setting up a
>>>>>>>> call with them at 3 PM CST today to review.  Right now, they are planning
>>>>>>>> on calling me directly, but I would be happy to set up a GoToMeeting if
>>>>>>>> others would be interested in joining.  It sounds like fees for ED searches
>>>>>>>> led by them are 30% to 33% of the first years annual salary, depending on
>>>>>>>> the guarantee level we require.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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