[Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search

Bev Corwin bev.corwin at owasp.org
Thu Jun 15 13:36:56 UTC 2017


+I agree with Micheal on this, just for the record. Sorry Josh.

Bev

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:

> I understand what you're getting at here by wanting to be able to solicit
> our own candidates as well, but I think it would be incredibly confusing to
> have two copies of our job description out there, two sites to submit a
> resume two, and two different processes for candidate reviews.  While I
> don't necessarily think it needs to be an all or nothing approach, I think
> that we should refrain from actively trying to recruit candidates against
> the process.
>
> ~josh
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I recommend a parallel approach. We engage the professionals and we post
>> ourself and conduct interviews.
>>
>> We go with the right candidate through whatever channel they come.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:46 AM Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Board,
>>>
>>> I can appreciate that everyone is busy with other stuff going on right
>>> now.  I am too.  That said, I am stalled on the ED search waiting for a
>>> consensus on this item and we need to pick a direction.  Do we continue to
>>> try and write job descriptions, solicit candidates, and review all
>>> candidates ourselves or do we leverage the experience of a firm who has
>>> done this with hundreds of other organizations similar to ours in the past,
>>> knowing that it will cost us a fairly significant amount of money to do
>>> so?  My recommendation, knowing that everyone has other time commitments
>>> here as well, is that we defer to the experts to get this process rolling
>>> ASAP.  I feel that our mistake on the first go around was that we tried to
>>> do this ourselves, and wound up with a shortage of qualified candidates as
>>> a result.  I would prefer not to make that same mistake again.
>>>
>>> ~josh
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Tom Pappas <tpappas at virtualmgmt.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Josh yes I agree that the ED search is extremely important and
>>>> needs to get under way.  I will always counsel a non profit when an
>>>> anticipated spend goes into high five figures when there are programs that
>>>> could benefit from that spend.  That said I would suggest we keep all
>>>> options open and see what comes in from outside as we would only be
>>>> obligated to pay the fee if we chose one of their candidates and they
>>>> accepted the offer.  I have one resume already I will be sending over for
>>>> review.  I will let Matt answer your question on his ability to handle the
>>>> ED duties as was discussed on the board call but will reiterate again my
>>>> support for him and that I know he would do an excellent job as ED should
>>>> the board decide to make that offer.  Take care
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> From: Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>> Sent: ‎6/‎13/‎2017 2:42 PM
>>>> To: Matt Tesauro <matt.tesauro at owasp.org>
>>>> Cc: Tom Pappas <tpappas at virtualmgmt.com>; OWASP Board List
>>>> <owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search
>>>>
>>>> Thank you, Matt and Tom, for the updates with respect to the budget.
>>>> Honestly, I cannot imagine a more important thing for us to be spending our
>>>> money on right now as lacking an Executive Director is creating a number of
>>>> issues, currently, and hiring an Executive Director is crucial to the
>>>> future of the OWASP Foundation.  The ED search will take substantial time
>>>> and resources that can only be moved so far with our current resources, and
>>>> with Kate leaving, our existing staff will be stretched even more thin.
>>>> Unless somebody has the cycles to take this on as a significant portion of
>>>> their daily activities, I'm afraid I don't see another option other than to
>>>> move forward with a professional recruiter.  I'm sure that we have other
>>>> options in that realm, but I think these guys seem as good as any.  Perhaps
>>>> we could ask for a referral to close the loop on that, but that shouldn't
>>>> be an impediment to funding the search.  Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> ~josh
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Matt Tesauro <matt.tesauro at owasp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Josh,
>>>>>
>>>>> Two clarifications:
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) The ED salary was basically divided by 2 since the start was July
>>>>> - the entire salary was never budgeted.  If memory serves, there's $75k in
>>>>> that budget item for salary from July to December.
>>>>>
>>>>> (2) Whatever the state of the budget and revenue is currently, there
>>>>> are two large unknowns on the horizon that need to be considered:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. The London Summit - currently trending towards a loss - the
>>>>>    size of that loss is unknown but likely large as some logistics were
>>>>>    handled late which doesn't allow for careful cost considerations.  On day
>>>>>    2, the staffing costs have already exceeded the budgeted amount for the
>>>>>    event.
>>>>>    2. AppSec USA - registration isn't open yet and we're far enough
>>>>>    out that the financial impact is unknown for this event and its typically
>>>>>    planned to greatly augment revenue.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> -- Matt Tesauro
>>>>> OWASP AppSec Pipeline Lead
>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_AppSec_Pipeline
>>>>> OWASP WTE Project Lead
>>>>> *https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Web_Testing_Environment_Project
>>>>> <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Web_Testing_Environment_Project>*
>>>>> http://AppSecLive.org <http://appseclive.org/> - Community and
>>>>> Download site
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you, Tom.  I understand that from a budget standpoint we moved
>>>>>> the ED hire to later in the year.  I guess what I was wondering is what was
>>>>>> done with the money that had been allocated for that position up until that
>>>>>> point?  Has it been spent on another initiative?  Also, I seem to remember
>>>>>> an update at the Board meeting saying that we were ahead of our revenue
>>>>>> goals at this point, this year.  Do you have a rough estimate of how much
>>>>>> ahead that would be?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Tom Pappas <tpappas at virtualmgmt.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Josh,  so I can answer this, the ED is in the budget for 2017
>>>>>>> starting in July for the 2nd half of the year as the Feb board
>>>>>>> meeting it was moved to go with the O&A comm until then.  As for your note
>>>>>>> regarding Virtual below, after the Board call last week and the portion of
>>>>>>> the Exec session that I attended it seemed the board was weighing its
>>>>>>> options.  Please let us know if you have made a decision and we can move
>>>>>>> forward.  Take care, let us know if you have any questions.  Take care
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thomas S. Pappas, MSA |   Senior Vice President of Finance &
>>>>>>> Administration | Virtual, Inc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> D: +1-781-876-8914 <(781)%20876-8914>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> F:  +1-781-623-8460 <(781)%20623-8460>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *tpappas at virtualmgmt.com <tpappas at virtualmgmt.com>*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 401 Edgewater Place, Suite 600, Wakefield, MA 01880
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: cid:image001.png at 01CE7100.10DF2040]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* owasp-board-bounces+tpappas=virtualmgmt.com at lists.owasp.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:owasp-board-bounces+tpappas=virtualmgmt.com at lists.owasp.org]
>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Sokol
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:47 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* Martin Knobloch <martin.knobloch at owasp.org>
>>>>>>> *Cc:* OWASP Board List <owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To Martin's point...did we already allocate the money for the first
>>>>>>> half of the year for the ED role?  Regarding Alison, I believe we agreed in
>>>>>>> the last Board meeting to move forward with the virtual offering, at least
>>>>>>> for the time being.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:42 AM, Martin Knobloch <
>>>>>>> martin.knobloch at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand Andrew's reasoning, but not concur 100% with your
>>>>>>> statement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The chance we find a ED inside the next 6 month is limited due to
>>>>>>> election process and all. Therefore, the salary will be only partial for
>>>>>>> this year, not the full annual salary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Considering we would find an ED (most optimistically) in 3 month
>>>>>>> (she/he would start 1st of October), only 1/4th of the annual salary is
>>>>>>> applicable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As previously discussed, it is more likely the process of finding
>>>>>>> and hiring and ED will take more likely half an year and therefore we
>>>>>>> should still consider hiring a temporary ED.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not to find a replacement for Kate is not really an option, as this
>>>>>>> will cause a lot of operational stuff not to be picked-up. That said, is
>>>>>>> there an overview of responsibilities and tasks for each of the staff
>>>>>>> member?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -martin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Andrew van der Stock <
>>>>>>> vanderaj at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Basically we need to decide if we are going to replace both Kate and
>>>>>>> Alison. If not, then you have my blessing to go forward as Treasurer but
>>>>>>> this does mean no Kate replacement this financial year. I am assuming we
>>>>>>> will outsource Alison's role to Virtual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From: *Josh Sokol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 June 2017 11:03
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *To: *Matt Konda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Cc: *OWASP Board List
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attached is the proposal from Scion Executive Search.  Based on
>>>>>>> their estimate of $115k-$135k salary given similar positions, it sounds
>>>>>>> like their fee would range from about $34,500 to $44,500, depending on
>>>>>>> whether we want a 6 or 12 month placement guarantee.  That's all expenses
>>>>>>> included.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *[image: Image removed by sender.] Scion Executive Search Proposal -
>>>>>>> Open Web Appl...
>>>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/a/owasp.org/file/d/0Bw1W2qFZ-xDGeWl6WUNIdlk3b3hSM0lvUmxKZjlBREFTZnlV/view?usp=drive_web>*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Board,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attached is the recording from the meeting with SCION Executive
>>>>>>> Search (https://scionexecutivesearch.com/).  A big thanks to
>>>>>>> Claudia and Dawn who joined me as well.  Here are some of the notes I took:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - Work with a lot of membership based organization
>>>>>>>    - Been around for ~12 years
>>>>>>>    - Worked with organizations of many sizes
>>>>>>>    - People from SCION are all involved with non-profits
>>>>>>>    - Main company is SCION Staffing, which does tech and corporate
>>>>>>>    staffing at the executive level
>>>>>>>    - Isaac has a legal degree
>>>>>>>    - Has led over 500 searches
>>>>>>>    - Services:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ·
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - Retained executive searches
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> o
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    - Meetings to make sure description is good and set clear
>>>>>>>          expectations
>>>>>>>          - Go out through network to create pool
>>>>>>>          - Evaluate individuals
>>>>>>>          - Assist in showing top candidates and why
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Job Description*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great start
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Get in more strategy and more goals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Missing more global things
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would “passionately” be interested in helping us lead this search.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Know we could find an exceptional ED
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have done a lot of this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can have hundreds of candidates for a job like this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only thing not included is criminal background check fee (billed
>>>>>>> exact cost - few hundred dollars max)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Costs for candidate travel, if required
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have their own resume platform (Bullhorn)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Average salary is between $115k-135k for a similar position
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Run public recruitment for 2-3 months.  Prefer 3 months and then
>>>>>>> submit talent back.  Do expedite searches for 2 months publicly.  Some
>>>>>>> conversations needed beforehand (5-7 of most influential people).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lower scale guarantee is 6 months, upper is 1 year
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Methods: Check website for 10-step process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I, personally, came away with a good feeling about them and their
>>>>>>> ability to lead this search on our behalf.  Given that we all have other
>>>>>>> commitments, I think that having a partner like this to drive our search
>>>>>>> would be well worth the money.  They will have a formal proposal out to me
>>>>>>> by the end of the day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is 3 PM CST, btw.  Not EST.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Matt Konda <matt.konda at owasp.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Josh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Matt Konda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @mkonda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I went ahead and just scheduled a GoToMeeting for it anyway.  Feel
>>>>>>> free to join me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SCION Executive Search
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jun 12, 2017 at 3:00 pm - 4:00 pm EDT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please visit & join the meeting space from your computer, tablet, or
>>>>>>> smartphone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://gotomeet.me/owasp/scion-executive-search
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can also dial in using your phone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2073 <(877)%20309-2073>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> United States: +1 (786) 535-3219 <(786)%20535-3219>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Access Code: 911-863-413
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More phone numbers:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 444 3375
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Australia (toll-free): 1 800 193 385
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> China (toll-free): 4008 811084
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Iceland (toll-free): 800 9869
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 901 610
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Israel (toll-free): 1 809 454 830
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Italy (toll-free): 800 793887
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Japan (toll-free): 0 120 663 800
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Panama (toll-free): 00 800 226 8832
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peru (toll-free): 0 800 54682
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Portugal (toll-free): 800 819 575
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 029
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Russian Federation (toll-free): 8 800 100 6201
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 814 2382 <(800)%20814-2382>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 2992
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 555 447
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Spain (toll-free): 900 831 178
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Viet Nam (toll-free): 122 80 481
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Board,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The company that I mentioned, SCION Executive Search (
>>>>>>> https://scionexecutivesearch.com/) that specializes in ED/CEO
>>>>>>> searches for non-profit corporations responded back.  I am setting up a
>>>>>>> call with them at 3 PM CST today to review.  Right now, they are planning
>>>>>>> on calling me directly, but I would be happy to set up a GoToMeeting if
>>>>>>> others would be interested in joining.  It sounds like fees for ED searches
>>>>>>> led by them are 30% to 33% of the first years annual salary, depending on
>>>>>>> the guarantee level we require.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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