[Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search

Michael Coates michael.coates at owasp.org
Wed Jun 14 19:40:31 UTC 2017


I recommend a parallel approach. We engage the professionals and we post
ourself and conduct interviews.

We go with the right candidate through whatever channel they come.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:46 AM Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:

> Board,
>
> I can appreciate that everyone is busy with other stuff going on right
> now.  I am too.  That said, I am stalled on the ED search waiting for a
> consensus on this item and we need to pick a direction.  Do we continue to
> try and write job descriptions, solicit candidates, and review all
> candidates ourselves or do we leverage the experience of a firm who has
> done this with hundreds of other organizations similar to ours in the past,
> knowing that it will cost us a fairly significant amount of money to do
> so?  My recommendation, knowing that everyone has other time commitments
> here as well, is that we defer to the experts to get this process rolling
> ASAP.  I feel that our mistake on the first go around was that we tried to
> do this ourselves, and wound up with a shortage of qualified candidates as
> a result.  I would prefer not to make that same mistake again.
>
> ~josh
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Tom Pappas <tpappas at virtualmgmt.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Josh yes I agree that the ED search is extremely important and
>> needs to get under way.  I will always counsel a non profit when an
>> anticipated spend goes into high five figures when there are programs that
>> could benefit from that spend.  That said I would suggest we keep all
>> options open and see what comes in from outside as we would only be
>> obligated to pay the fee if we chose one of their candidates and they
>> accepted the offer.  I have one resume already I will be sending over for
>> review.  I will let Matt answer your question on his ability to handle the
>> ED duties as was discussed on the board call but will reiterate again my
>> support for him and that I know he would do an excellent job as ED should
>> the board decide to make that offer.  Take care
>>
>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>> ------------------------------
>> From: Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>> Sent: ‎6/‎13/‎2017 2:42 PM
>> To: Matt Tesauro <matt.tesauro at owasp.org>
>> Cc: Tom Pappas <tpappas at virtualmgmt.com>; OWASP Board List
>> <owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search
>>
>> Thank you, Matt and Tom, for the updates with respect to the budget.
>> Honestly, I cannot imagine a more important thing for us to be spending our
>> money on right now as lacking an Executive Director is creating a number of
>> issues, currently, and hiring an Executive Director is crucial to the
>> future of the OWASP Foundation.  The ED search will take substantial time
>> and resources that can only be moved so far with our current resources, and
>> with Kate leaving, our existing staff will be stretched even more thin.
>> Unless somebody has the cycles to take this on as a significant portion of
>> their daily activities, I'm afraid I don't see another option other than to
>> move forward with a professional recruiter.  I'm sure that we have other
>> options in that realm, but I think these guys seem as good as any.  Perhaps
>> we could ask for a referral to close the loop on that, but that shouldn't
>> be an impediment to funding the search.  Thoughts?
>>
>> ~josh
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Matt Tesauro <matt.tesauro at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh,
>>>
>>> Two clarifications:
>>>
>>> (1) The ED salary was basically divided by 2 since the start was July -
>>> the entire salary was never budgeted.  If memory serves, there's $75k in
>>> that budget item for salary from July to December.
>>>
>>> (2) Whatever the state of the budget and revenue is currently, there are
>>> two large unknowns on the horizon that need to be considered:
>>>
>>>    1. The London Summit - currently trending towards a loss - the size
>>>    of that loss is unknown but likely large as some logistics were handled
>>>    late which doesn't allow for careful cost considerations.  On day 2, the
>>>    staffing costs have already exceeded the budgeted amount for the event.
>>>    2. AppSec USA - registration isn't open yet and we're far enough out
>>>    that the financial impact is unknown for this event and its typically
>>>    planned to greatly augment revenue.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -- Matt Tesauro
>>> OWASP AppSec Pipeline Lead
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_AppSec_Pipeline
>>> OWASP WTE Project Lead
>>> *https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Web_Testing_Environment_Project
>>> <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Web_Testing_Environment_Project>*
>>> http://AppSecLive.org <http://appseclive.org/> - Community and Download
>>> site
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you, Tom.  I understand that from a budget standpoint we moved
>>>> the ED hire to later in the year.  I guess what I was wondering is what was
>>>> done with the money that had been allocated for that position up until that
>>>> point?  Has it been spent on another initiative?  Also, I seem to remember
>>>> an update at the Board meeting saying that we were ahead of our revenue
>>>> goals at this point, this year.  Do you have a rough estimate of how much
>>>> ahead that would be?
>>>>
>>>> ~josh
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Tom Pappas <tpappas at virtualmgmt.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Josh,  so I can answer this, the ED is in the budget for 2017
>>>>> starting in July for the 2nd half of the year as the Feb board
>>>>> meeting it was moved to go with the O&A comm until then.  As for your note
>>>>> regarding Virtual below, after the Board call last week and the portion of
>>>>> the Exec session that I attended it seemed the board was weighing its
>>>>> options.  Please let us know if you have made a decision and we can move
>>>>> forward.  Take care, let us know if you have any questions.  Take care
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas S. Pappas, MSA |   Senior Vice President of Finance &
>>>>> Administration | Virtual, Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>> D: +1-781-876-8914 <(781)%20876-8914>
>>>>>
>>>>> F:  +1-781-623-8460 <(781)%20623-8460>
>>>>>
>>>>> *tpappas at virtualmgmt.com <tpappas at virtualmgmt.com>*
>>>>>
>>>>> 401 Edgewater Place, Suite 600, Wakefield, MA 01880
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: cid:image001.png at 01CE7100.10DF2040]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* owasp-board-bounces+tpappas=virtualmgmt.com at lists.owasp.org
>>>>> [mailto:owasp-board-bounces+tpappas=virtualmgmt.com at lists.owasp.org] *On
>>>>> Behalf Of *Josh Sokol
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:47 AM
>>>>> *To:* Martin Knobloch <martin.knobloch at owasp.org>
>>>>> *Cc:* OWASP Board List <owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To Martin's point...did we already allocate the money for the first
>>>>> half of the year for the ED role?  Regarding Alison, I believe we agreed in
>>>>> the last Board meeting to move forward with the virtual offering, at least
>>>>> for the time being.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:42 AM, Martin Knobloch <
>>>>> martin.knobloch at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand Andrew's reasoning, but not concur 100% with your
>>>>> statement.
>>>>>
>>>>> The chance we find a ED inside the next 6 month is limited due to
>>>>> election process and all. Therefore, the salary will be only partial for
>>>>> this year, not the full annual salary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Considering we would find an ED (most optimistically) in 3 month
>>>>> (she/he would start 1st of October), only 1/4th of the annual salary is
>>>>> applicable.
>>>>>
>>>>> As previously discussed, it is more likely the process of finding and
>>>>> hiring and ED will take more likely half an year and therefore we should
>>>>> still consider hiring a temporary ED.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to find a replacement for Kate is not really an option, as this
>>>>> will cause a lot of operational stuff not to be picked-up. That said, is
>>>>> there an overview of responsibilities and tasks for each of the staff
>>>>> member?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> -martin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Andrew van der Stock <
>>>>> vanderaj at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically we need to decide if we are going to replace both Kate and
>>>>> Alison. If not, then you have my blessing to go forward as Treasurer but
>>>>> this does mean no Kate replacement this financial year. I am assuming we
>>>>> will outsource Alison's role to Virtual.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *Josh Sokol
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 June 2017 11:03
>>>>>
>>>>> *To: *Matt Konda
>>>>>
>>>>> *Cc: *OWASP Board List
>>>>>
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Owasp-board] SCION Executive Search
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Attached is the proposal from Scion Executive Search.  Based on their
>>>>> estimate of $115k-$135k salary given similar positions, it sounds like
>>>>> their fee would range from about $34,500 to $44,500, depending on whether
>>>>> we want a 6 or 12 month placement guarantee.  That's all expenses included.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> *[image: Image removed by sender.] Scion Executive Search Proposal -
>>>>> Open Web Appl...
>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/a/owasp.org/file/d/0Bw1W2qFZ-xDGeWl6WUNIdlk3b3hSM0lvUmxKZjlBREFTZnlV/view?usp=drive_web>*
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Board,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Attached is the recording from the meeting with SCION Executive Search
>>>>> (https://scionexecutivesearch.com/).  A big thanks to Claudia and
>>>>> Dawn who joined me as well.  Here are some of the notes I took:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    - Work with a lot of membership based organization
>>>>>    - Been around for ~12 years
>>>>>    - Worked with organizations of many sizes
>>>>>    - People from SCION are all involved with non-profits
>>>>>    - Main company is SCION Staffing, which does tech and corporate
>>>>>    staffing at the executive level
>>>>>    - Isaac has a legal degree
>>>>>    - Has led over 500 searches
>>>>>    - Services:
>>>>>
>>>>> ·
>>>>>
>>>>>    - Retained executive searches
>>>>>
>>>>> o
>>>>>
>>>>>    - Meetings to make sure description is good and set clear
>>>>>          expectations
>>>>>          - Go out through network to create pool
>>>>>          - Evaluate individuals
>>>>>          - Assist in showing top candidates and why
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Job Description*
>>>>>
>>>>> Great start
>>>>>
>>>>> Get in more strategy and more goals
>>>>>
>>>>> Missing more global things
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Would “passionately” be interested in helping us lead this search.
>>>>>
>>>>> Know we could find an exceptional ED
>>>>>
>>>>> Have done a lot of this
>>>>>
>>>>> Can have hundreds of candidates for a job like this
>>>>>
>>>>> Only thing not included is criminal background check fee (billed exact
>>>>> cost - few hundred dollars max)
>>>>>
>>>>> Costs for candidate travel, if required
>>>>>
>>>>> Have their own resume platform (Bullhorn)
>>>>>
>>>>> Average salary is between $115k-135k for a similar position
>>>>>
>>>>> Run public recruitment for 2-3 months.  Prefer 3 months and then
>>>>> submit talent back.  Do expedite searches for 2 months publicly.  Some
>>>>> conversations needed beforehand (5-7 of most influential people).
>>>>>
>>>>> Lower scale guarantee is 6 months, upper is 1 year
>>>>>
>>>>> Methods: Check website for 10-step process.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I, personally, came away with a good feeling about them and their
>>>>> ability to lead this search on our behalf.  Given that we all have other
>>>>> commitments, I think that having a partner like this to drive our search
>>>>> would be well worth the money.  They will have a formal proposal out to me
>>>>> by the end of the day.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is 3 PM CST, btw.  Not EST.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Matt Konda <matt.konda at owasp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Josh.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt Konda
>>>>>
>>>>> @mkonda
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I went ahead and just scheduled a GoToMeeting for it anyway.  Feel
>>>>> free to join me:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> SCION Executive Search
>>>>>
>>>>> Jun 12, 2017 at 3:00 pm - 4:00 pm EDT
>>>>>
>>>>> Please visit & join the meeting space from your computer, tablet, or
>>>>> smartphone.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://gotomeet.me/owasp/scion-executive-search
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can also dial in using your phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> United States (toll-free): 1 877 309 2073 <(877)%20309-2073>
>>>>>
>>>>> United States: +1 (786) 535-3219 <(786)%20535-3219>
>>>>>
>>>>> Access Code: 911-863-413
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> More phone numbers:
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Board,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The company that I mentioned, SCION Executive Search (
>>>>> https://scionexecutivesearch.com/) that specializes in ED/CEO
>>>>> searches for non-profit corporations responded back.  I am setting up a
>>>>> call with them at 3 PM CST today to review.  Right now, they are planning
>>>>> on calling me directly, but I would be happy to set up a GoToMeeting if
>>>>> others would be interested in joining.  It sounds like fees for ED searches
>>>>> led by them are 30% to 33% of the first years annual salary, depending on
>>>>> the guarantee level we require.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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