[Owasp-board] Oh no, not again...

Matt Konda matt.konda at owasp.org
Wed Jan 27 13:58:54 UTC 2016


If ok, I would also reach out proactively to DC team.

Reasonable?

MK

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Matt Konda <matt.konda at owasp.org> wrote:

> Perhaps a simple nudge to some of the lead organizers to think about this
> and offer to network them to capable people would be helpful.
>
> Unless anyone objects, I will reach out to them for that.
>
> Beyond that, I think we have work to do before we can set an explicit
> expectation around this.
>
> Matt
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Laura Grau <laura.grau at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello Andrew,
>>
>> As far as I know there are not rules defined for the Selection Committee
>> at the Global AppSec Conferences, local teams can invite whoever they want
>> and use their own system to review and score the submissions.
>>
>> Call For Papers and Call For Trainings is open to everybody and widely
>> advertise, so men and women can submit.
>>
>> OWASP staff do not play any role here other than contacting all the
>> submitters, after the selection has been made, in order to let them know
>> whether their presentation has been selected and ask for the required
>> information to those who have been chosen (bio, headshoot, abstract, signed
>> agreement, etc.)
>>
>> Please let me know if you need any further information.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>
>> Laura Grau
>>
>> *Global Conference Manager*
>> *OWASP Foundation*
>> *laura.grau at owasp.org* <laura.grau at owasp.org>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> All great questions. I'd direct these to Laura, Paul and the Conference
>>> team.
>>>
>>> The conference process does have some rules defined, but a significant
>>> amount of decision making (in many aspects) is delegated to the local
>>> planning team.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Coates | @_mwc
>>> <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=_mwc>
>>> OWASP Global Board
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:02 AM, Andrew van der Stock <
>>> vanderaj at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> I note with frustration that again, despite the absolutely astonishing
>>>> odds of this occurring, we seem to have ended up with 25 men and 0 women on
>>>> the papers committee at AppSec EU.
>>>>
>>>> I will let that sink in for a second. 25 men. 0 women. 2016.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure all of them are excellent and are doing a good job, but there
>>>> has to be at least a few women on this planet who could and wanted to help
>>>> out, if only they had been asked or been in the right place at the right
>>>> time. I might not be looking at the right place, but where was the
>>>> announcement to get on the papers committee. It's not on AppSecEU's social
>>>> media feed. I've searched the most likely mail lists, and nothing. So how
>>>> did this committee form?
>>>>
>>>> What do we have in place to make sure that we:
>>>>
>>>>    - Do we have a standard way of calling for a papers committee? I
>>>>    don't see any announcement
>>>>    - Ensure that there's at least *some* women representation on any
>>>>    conference's papers committee?
>>>>    - Did we reach out to or invite anyone from the OWASP Women in
>>>>    AppSec group to be on the papers committee?
>>>>    - Do we make sure proposals being vetted by the papers committee
>>>>    are blind (i.e. the gender, name and bio are missing on ALL submissions)?
>>>>    - Do we have a conflict of interest policy for PC members so they
>>>>    can't submit papers or training? I'd hate for a new speaker or someone who
>>>>    normally doesn't speak at OWASP conferences, like developers, have a shot
>>>>    over someone on the PC*.
>>>>    - Do we have a few slots available for new speakers? Do we reach
>>>>    outside the echo chamber to fill these slots, whether by invitation or
>>>>    invitation to submit? There are some awesome speakers at JavaOne and at
>>>>    OSCON and at other conferences. It would be great to get some
>>>>    inter-profession dialog going
>>>>    - Do we reach out to OWASP Women in AppSec to outright invite a
>>>>    keynote or two or ask for speakers to submit?
>>>>    - Do we reach out on social media to ask new and gender diverse
>>>>    speakers to submit?
>>>>    - Do we make sure when the final selection is made that it's not
>>>>    complete wall to wall male presenters?
>>>>
>>>> I am looking for answers. I will be watching the results of the paper
>>>> selection with some interest, as we cannot ever again have a situation
>>>> where there are no women presenting at our four major global conferences.
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>> * Full disclosure: I have put a training submission in for the ASVS at
>>>> Rome. I am not on the papers committee.
>>>>
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