[Owasp-board] Oh no, not again...

Matt Konda matt.konda at owasp.org
Wed Jan 27 13:42:59 UTC 2016


Perhaps a simple nudge to some of the lead organizers to think about this
and offer to network them to capable people would be helpful.

Unless anyone objects, I will reach out to them for that.

Beyond that, I think we have work to do before we can set an explicit
expectation around this.

Matt

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Laura Grau <laura.grau at owasp.org> wrote:

> Hello Andrew,
>
> As far as I know there are not rules defined for the Selection Committee
> at the Global AppSec Conferences, local teams can invite whoever they want
> and use their own system to review and score the submissions.
>
> Call For Papers and Call For Trainings is open to everybody and widely
> advertise, so men and women can submit.
>
> OWASP staff do not play any role here other than contacting all the
> submitters, after the selection has been made, in order to let them know
> whether their presentation has been selected and ask for the required
> information to those who have been chosen (bio, headshoot, abstract, signed
> agreement, etc.)
>
> Please let me know if you need any further information.
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Laura Grau
>
> *Global Conference Manager*
> *OWASP Foundation*
> *laura.grau at owasp.org* <laura.grau at owasp.org>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> All great questions. I'd direct these to Laura, Paul and the Conference
>> team.
>>
>> The conference process does have some rules defined, but a significant
>> amount of decision making (in many aspects) is delegated to the local
>> planning team.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Coates | @_mwc <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=_mwc>
>> OWASP Global Board
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:02 AM, Andrew van der Stock <vanderaj at owasp.org
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I note with frustration that again, despite the absolutely astonishing
>>> odds of this occurring, we seem to have ended up with 25 men and 0 women on
>>> the papers committee at AppSec EU.
>>>
>>> I will let that sink in for a second. 25 men. 0 women. 2016.
>>>
>>> I'm sure all of them are excellent and are doing a good job, but there
>>> has to be at least a few women on this planet who could and wanted to help
>>> out, if only they had been asked or been in the right place at the right
>>> time. I might not be looking at the right place, but where was the
>>> announcement to get on the papers committee. It's not on AppSecEU's social
>>> media feed. I've searched the most likely mail lists, and nothing. So how
>>> did this committee form?
>>>
>>> What do we have in place to make sure that we:
>>>
>>>    - Do we have a standard way of calling for a papers committee? I
>>>    don't see any announcement
>>>    - Ensure that there's at least *some* women representation on any
>>>    conference's papers committee?
>>>    - Did we reach out to or invite anyone from the OWASP Women in
>>>    AppSec group to be on the papers committee?
>>>    - Do we make sure proposals being vetted by the papers committee are
>>>    blind (i.e. the gender, name and bio are missing on ALL submissions)?
>>>    - Do we have a conflict of interest policy for PC members so they
>>>    can't submit papers or training? I'd hate for a new speaker or someone who
>>>    normally doesn't speak at OWASP conferences, like developers, have a shot
>>>    over someone on the PC*.
>>>    - Do we have a few slots available for new speakers? Do we reach
>>>    outside the echo chamber to fill these slots, whether by invitation or
>>>    invitation to submit? There are some awesome speakers at JavaOne and at
>>>    OSCON and at other conferences. It would be great to get some
>>>    inter-profession dialog going
>>>    - Do we reach out to OWASP Women in AppSec to outright invite a
>>>    keynote or two or ask for speakers to submit?
>>>    - Do we reach out on social media to ask new and gender diverse
>>>    speakers to submit?
>>>    - Do we make sure when the final selection is made that it's not
>>>    complete wall to wall male presenters?
>>>
>>> I am looking for answers. I will be watching the results of the paper
>>> selection with some interest, as we cannot ever again have a situation
>>> where there are no women presenting at our four major global conferences.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> * Full disclosure: I have put a training submission in for the ASVS at
>>> Rome. I am not on the papers committee.
>>>
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