[Owasp-board] We need to Lead definition of Active Leader
Jim Manico
jim.manico at owasp.org
Mon Oct 19 16:13:55 UTC 2015
That makes sense.
- Jim
On 10/19/15 6:12 PM, Noreen Whysel wrote:
> Yes. I believe Claudia was working on that.
>
> Noreen Whysel
> Community Manager
> OWASP Foundation
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org
> <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
> May I suggest that the project folk work on that one... :)
>
> - Jim
>
>
> On 10/19/15 5:59 PM, Fabio Cerullo wrote:
>> Thanks Noreen. Could you please also come up with a definition
>> for active (project) leader?
>>
>>
>> Fabio Cerullo
>> Global Board Member
>> OWASP Foundation
>> https://www.owasp.org
>>
>>> On 19 Oct 2015, at 4:51 p.m., Noreen Whysel
>>> <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here are the links to these chapters:
>>>
>>> Active Chapter Definition:
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_2:_Mandatory_Chapter_Rules
>>>
>>> Active Chapter Leader Definition:
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_5:_Governance
>>>
>>> The definitions could go before the Contact Us section here:
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_1:_Handbook_Overview
>>>
>>> Noreen Whysel
>>> Community Manager
>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Noreen Whysel
>>> <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have added my definition of Active Chapter to the lead
>>> paragraph of Chapter 2 of the Chapter Leader Handbook.
>>>
>>> I have added the definition of an Active Leader to the first
>>> bullet under 5.1 Leadership in Chapter 5 of the Chapter
>>> Leader Handbook.
>>>
>>> Any references to Active Chapter or Active Chapter Leader
>>> should link to these definitions.
>>>
>>> Alternatively (or in addition), we could put a section on
>>> Definitions in Chapter 1: Handbook Overview.
>>>
>>> Noreen Whysel
>>> Community Manager
>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Noreen Whysel
>>> <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok. Just a clarification. Since chapter leaders can't
>>> update SF it can't be part of the requirement. Wiki page
>>> and Mailman admin is all they need.
>>>
>>> ;)
>>>
>>> Noreen Whysel
>>> Community Manager
>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Paul Ritchie
>>> <paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, good feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Notice locations - In addition to buried in handbook, I
>>>> think the second highest priority would be to highlight
>>>> that definition on a chapter homepage. More then that
>>>> is to many places.
>>>>
>>>> 2 meetings before $500....No, I was just trying to
>>>> stimulate the thought process. Board did comment that
>>>> they thought a first meeting would be needed anyway to
>>>> generate a second leader.
>>>> So....if you and want to make this decision NOW....I'm
>>>> OK with 1) complete all your 'normal' new chapter
>>>> paperwork, plus 2) must have a second leader officially
>>>> named on wiki and SF database.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Re Ghana - I will expect all staff to 'hold the
>>>> line' $500 is designed as an incentive to "be active"
>>>> 'get shared' leadership and 'be responsive. If there
>>>> is no update....there is no money. If he is responsive
>>>> and meets requirements....wow = incentive money.
>>>> I imagine there may be several of these....either not
>>>> responsive, or can't find that 2nd leader.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>>>> OWASP Executive Director
>>>> paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Noreen Whysel OWASP
>>>> <noreen.whysel at owasp.org
>>>> <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Q1 chapter handbook under governance chapter only.
>>>> Everywhere else we mention active leaders can link
>>>> to that section but o don't think it is wise to
>>>> have it all over the place in case it changes over
>>>> time. Projects handbook probably has a place that
>>>> makes sense where it discusses leaders.
>>>>
>>>> Implementation:
>>>> -notice to leader list and next news flash
>>>> -email alert to all leaders (same list as the
>>>> monthly finding announcement) and include info on
>>>> how to make sure all your leaders are on the
>>>> Owasp-leaders list by adding them to Mailman admin
>>>> field.
>>>> -edit new leader welcome and Chapter Active?
>>>> Templates on SF.
>>>> -personal email to any leader who has discussed
>>>> upcoming events or funding requirements.
>>>> -probably should do a joint hangout with Tobias and
>>>> a 24/7 Podcast to discuss the proposals and what it
>>>> means for chapter and project leaders when the
>>>> votes are complete.
>>>>
>>>> Q2 So chapters would be required to go out of
>>>> pocket or find a local sponsor for two meetings
>>>> before they can get funding? Is this a new addition
>>>> that the board came up with or just something we
>>>> are knocking around on staff? I think this would be
>>>> prohibitive in some areas. It's a bit Catch 22. I
>>>> fear that a sponsor would want to know that a
>>>> chapter is a going concern before putting out
>>>> funds. At the same time a new chapter leader is
>>>> only going to put himself out of he knows he has
>>>> foundation funding to host a successful meeting and
>>>> draw attendance.
>>>>
>>>> Btw at present Ghana would not qualify for funding
>>>> because he hasn't updated the wiki in two years. I
>>>> have told him that he needs to do it but his
>>>> response is sort of Yeah, Yeah or no response. That
>>>> worries me particularly since he is asking me to
>>>> help find speakers.
>>>>
>>>> Noreen Whysel
>>>> Community Manager
>>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Paul Ritchie
>>>> <paul.ritchie at owasp.org
>>>> <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi....OK, if thats the jist of it and it covers
>>>>> the Johanna comments per Josh's email...that I'm
>>>>> good.
>>>>>
>>>>> The next step is cutting and pasting this into our
>>>>> 'official communication' about these changes to
>>>>> the community. Sharing that draft implementation
>>>>> plan at least internally with staff, getting
>>>>> consensus on timeline and then launching.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few, like proposal #4 allow the $500 to be
>>>>> allocated at any NEW Chapter, _effective
>>>>> immediately_, once it completes all its new
>>>>> chapter tasks and has 2 Active leaders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Q1 Have you considered where and when you would
>>>>> post this new information on the wiki? Chapter
>>>>> handbook is fine, but other locations....and then
>>>>> your timeline to complete, ie. how will you
>>>>> implement? is the basis of my question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Q2..Must a new Chapter hold its first meeting, or
>>>>> perhaps 2 meetings to qualify for the "new chapter
>>>>> funds?
>>>>> Or, for proposal #4, is our implementation plan
>>>>> to ensure they meet the minimum requirement of 2
>>>>> leaders defined, and then all normal new Chapter
>>>>> information documented in Wiki and Sales
>>>>> force...without needing a requirement for a 1st
>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Net net Noreen, I will be documenting and drafting
>>>>> up the implementation project on the budgeting
>>>>> proposals,
>>>>>
>>>>> I was looking to have you lead the implementation
>>>>> of the new chapter funding communication &
>>>>> rules...aligned with Claudia re: new projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, I'm totally open to more ideas if you
>>>>> have some other ideas on How best to define &
>>>>> communicate 'what was just approved' and how we
>>>>> will implement? It just needs to get done and I
>>>>> want to confirm owners for each portion of work
>>>>> effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>>>>> OWASP Executive Director
>>>>> paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Noreen Whysel
>>>>> OWASP <noreen.whysel at owasp.org
>>>>> <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My impression is that the board is satisfied
>>>>> with my definition of an active leader. Is
>>>>> there something missing from your POV from
>>>>> these two requirements:
>>>>>
>>>>> -Must have contact information clearly
>>>>> accessible from chapter/project/initiative page.
>>>>> -Must be responsive to inquiries (i.e. Reply
>>>>> within 7 business days)
>>>>>
>>>>> Noreen Whysel
>>>>> Community Manager
>>>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Paul Ritchie
>>>>> <paul.ritchie at owasp.org
>>>>> <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Noreen - I see your email below but all my
>>>>>> impressions are that the BoD is expected us
>>>>>> on Staff to "lead" this discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fabio isn't going to do it....and since 'we'
>>>>>> will be implementing and answering all
>>>>>> chapter level questions, than WE , and by
>>>>>> functional responsibility....You, are the one
>>>>>> to summarize responses and propose final
>>>>>> definition of Active Leader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you do that Monday or Tuesday at the latest.
>>>>>> Basically send out the preferred definition,
>>>>>> as a draft, that would allow you or me to
>>>>>> make a pretty clear decision if the leader is
>>>>>> Active...with a minimum of potential dispute.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /Noreen Whysel/
>>>>>> /5:16 am (1 day ago)/
>>>>>> /to Fabio, OWASP /
>>>>>> /I have given my suggestions. When you have
>>>>>> agreed on a final definition I will
>>>>>> incorporate it into the Chapter Leader
>>>>>> Handbook. /
>>>>>> /
>>>>>> /
>>>>>> /It is also important to consider Claudia and
>>>>>> Johanna's definition of an active project and
>>>>>> active project leader. I presume it is
>>>>>> similar, ie, meets minimum
>>>>>> requirements/responsive, but not sure if
>>>>>> different levels of projects would have
>>>>>> different requirements./
>>>>>> /Noreen /
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>>>>>> OWASP Executive Director
>>>>>> paul.ritchie at owasp.org
>>>>>> <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>>>>>> BAsic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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