[Owasp-board] We need to Lead definition of Active Leader

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Mon Oct 19 16:13:55 UTC 2015


That makes sense.

- Jim

On 10/19/15 6:12 PM, Noreen Whysel wrote:
> Yes. I believe Claudia was working on that.
>
> Noreen Whysel
> Community Manager
> OWASP Foundation
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org 
> <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>     May I suggest that the project folk work on that one...  :)
>
>     - Jim
>
>
>     On 10/19/15 5:59 PM, Fabio Cerullo wrote:
>>     Thanks Noreen. Could you please also come up with a definition
>>     for active (project) leader?
>>
>>
>>     Fabio Cerullo
>>     Global Board Member
>>     OWASP Foundation
>>     https://www.owasp.org
>>
>>>     On 19 Oct 2015, at 4:51 p.m., Noreen Whysel
>>>     <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Here are the links to these chapters:
>>>
>>>     Active Chapter Definition:
>>>     https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_2:_Mandatory_Chapter_Rules
>>>
>>>     Active Chapter Leader Definition:
>>>     https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_5:_Governance
>>>
>>>     The definitions could go before the Contact Us section here:
>>>     https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_1:_Handbook_Overview
>>>
>>>     Noreen Whysel
>>>     Community Manager
>>>     OWASP Foundation
>>>
>>>     On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Noreen Whysel
>>>     <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         I have added my definition of Active Chapter to the lead
>>>         paragraph of Chapter 2 of the Chapter Leader Handbook.
>>>
>>>         I have added the definition of an Active Leader to the first
>>>         bullet under 5.1 Leadership in Chapter 5 of the Chapter
>>>         Leader Handbook.
>>>
>>>         Any references to Active Chapter or Active Chapter Leader
>>>         should link to these definitions.
>>>
>>>         Alternatively (or in addition), we could put a section on
>>>         Definitions in Chapter 1: Handbook Overview.
>>>
>>>         Noreen Whysel
>>>         Community Manager
>>>         OWASP Foundation
>>>
>>>         On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Noreen Whysel
>>>         <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>>
>>>         wrote:
>>>
>>>             Ok. Just a clarification. Since chapter leaders can't
>>>             update SF it can't be part of the requirement. Wiki page
>>>             and Mailman admin is all they need.
>>>
>>>             ;)
>>>
>>>             Noreen Whysel
>>>             Community Manager
>>>             OWASP Foundation
>>>
>>>             On Oct 16, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Paul Ritchie
>>>             <paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>>
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>>             Thanks, good feedback.
>>>>
>>>>             Notice locations - In addition to buried in handbook, I
>>>>             think the second highest priority would be to highlight
>>>>             that definition on a chapter homepage.  More then that
>>>>             is to many places.
>>>>
>>>>             2 meetings before $500....No, I was just trying to
>>>>             stimulate the thought process. Board did comment that
>>>>             they thought a first meeting would be needed anyway to
>>>>             generate a second leader.
>>>>             So....if you and want to make this decision NOW....I'm
>>>>             OK with   1) complete all your 'normal' new chapter
>>>>             paperwork, plus 2) must have a second leader officially
>>>>             named on wiki and SF database.
>>>>
>>>>             3.  Re Ghana - I will expect all staff to 'hold the
>>>>             line' $500 is designed as an incentive to "be active"
>>>>             'get shared' leadership and 'be responsive.  If there
>>>>             is no update....there is no money.  If he is responsive
>>>>             and meets requirements....wow = incentive money.
>>>>             I imagine there may be several of these....either not
>>>>             responsive, or can't find that 2nd leader.
>>>>
>>>>             Paul
>>>>
>>>>             Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>>>>             OWASP Executive Director
>>>>             paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Noreen Whysel OWASP
>>>>             <noreen.whysel at owasp.org
>>>>             <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 Q1 chapter handbook under governance chapter only.
>>>>                 Everywhere else we mention active leaders can link
>>>>                 to that section but o don't think it is wise to
>>>>                 have it all over the place in case it changes over
>>>>                 time. Projects handbook probably has a place that
>>>>                 makes sense where it discusses leaders.
>>>>
>>>>                 Implementation:
>>>>                 -notice to leader list and next news flash
>>>>                 -email alert to all leaders (same list as the
>>>>                 monthly finding announcement) and include info on
>>>>                 how to make sure all your leaders are on the
>>>>                 Owasp-leaders list by adding them to Mailman admin
>>>>                 field.
>>>>                 -edit new leader welcome and Chapter Active?
>>>>                 Templates on SF.
>>>>                 -personal email to any leader who has discussed
>>>>                 upcoming events or funding requirements.
>>>>                 -probably should do a joint hangout with Tobias and
>>>>                 a 24/7 Podcast to discuss the proposals and what it
>>>>                 means for chapter and project leaders when the
>>>>                 votes are complete.
>>>>
>>>>                 Q2 So chapters would be required to go out of
>>>>                 pocket or find a local sponsor for two meetings
>>>>                 before they can get funding? Is this a new addition
>>>>                 that the board came up with or just something we
>>>>                 are knocking around on staff? I think this would be
>>>>                 prohibitive in some areas. It's a bit Catch 22. I
>>>>                 fear that a sponsor would want to know that a
>>>>                 chapter is a going concern before putting out
>>>>                 funds. At the same time a new chapter leader is
>>>>                 only going to put himself out of he knows he has
>>>>                 foundation funding to host a successful meeting and
>>>>                 draw attendance.
>>>>
>>>>                 Btw at present Ghana would not qualify for funding
>>>>                 because he hasn't updated the wiki in two years. I
>>>>                 have told him that he needs to do it but his
>>>>                 response is sort of Yeah, Yeah or no response. That
>>>>                 worries me particularly since he is asking me to
>>>>                 help find speakers.
>>>>
>>>>                 Noreen Whysel
>>>>                 Community Manager
>>>>                 OWASP Foundation
>>>>
>>>>                 On Oct 16, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Paul Ritchie
>>>>                 <paul.ritchie at owasp.org
>>>>                 <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>                 Hi....OK, if thats the jist of it and it covers
>>>>>                 the Johanna comments per Josh's email...that I'm
>>>>>                 good.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 The next step is cutting and pasting this into our
>>>>>                 'official communication' about these changes to
>>>>>                 the community. Sharing that draft implementation
>>>>>                 plan at least internally with staff, getting
>>>>>                 consensus on timeline and then launching.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 A few, like proposal #4 allow the $500 to be
>>>>>                 allocated at any NEW Chapter, _effective
>>>>>                 immediately_, once it completes all its new
>>>>>                 chapter tasks and has 2 Active leaders.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Q1  Have you considered where and when you would
>>>>>                 post this new information on the wiki? Chapter
>>>>>                 handbook is fine, but other locations....and then
>>>>>                 your timeline to complete, ie. how will you
>>>>>                 implement?  is the basis of my question.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Q2..Must a new Chapter hold its first meeting, or
>>>>>                 perhaps 2 meetings to qualify for the "new chapter
>>>>>                 funds?
>>>>>                 Or, for proposal #4,  is our implementation plan
>>>>>                 to ensure they meet the minimum requirement of 2
>>>>>                 leaders defined, and then all normal new Chapter
>>>>>                 information documented in Wiki and Sales
>>>>>                 force...without needing a requirement for a 1st
>>>>>                 meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Net net Noreen, I will be documenting and drafting
>>>>>                 up the implementation project on the budgeting
>>>>>                 proposals,
>>>>>
>>>>>                 I was looking to have you lead the implementation
>>>>>                 of the new chapter funding communication &
>>>>>                 rules...aligned with Claudia re: new projects.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Of course, I'm totally open to more ideas if you
>>>>>                 have some other ideas on How best to define &
>>>>>                 communicate 'what was just approved' and how we
>>>>>                 will implement? It just needs to get done and I
>>>>>                 want to confirm owners for each portion of work
>>>>>                 effort.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>>>>>                 OWASP Executive Director
>>>>>                 paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Noreen Whysel
>>>>>                 OWASP <noreen.whysel at owasp.org
>>>>>                 <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                     My impression is that the board is satisfied
>>>>>                     with my definition of an active leader. Is
>>>>>                     there something missing from your POV from
>>>>>                     these two requirements:
>>>>>
>>>>>                     -Must have contact information clearly
>>>>>                     accessible from chapter/project/initiative page.
>>>>>                     -Must be responsive to inquiries (i.e. Reply
>>>>>                     within 7 business days)
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Noreen Whysel
>>>>>                     Community Manager
>>>>>                     OWASP Foundation
>>>>>
>>>>>                     On Oct 16, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Paul Ritchie
>>>>>                     <paul.ritchie at owasp.org
>>>>>                     <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>                     Hi Noreen - I see your email below but all my
>>>>>>                     impressions are that the BoD is expected us
>>>>>>                     on Staff to "lead" this discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     Fabio isn't going to do it....and since 'we'
>>>>>>                     will be implementing and answering all
>>>>>>                     chapter level questions, than WE , and by
>>>>>>                     functional responsibility....You, are the one
>>>>>>                     to summarize responses and propose final
>>>>>>                     definition of Active Leader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     Can you do that Monday or Tuesday at the latest.
>>>>>>                     Basically send out the preferred definition,
>>>>>>                     as a draft, that would allow you or me to
>>>>>>                     make a pretty clear decision if the leader is
>>>>>>                     Active...with a minimum of potential dispute.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     /Noreen Whysel/
>>>>>>                     /5:16 am (1 day ago)/
>>>>>>                     /to Fabio, OWASP /
>>>>>>                     /I have given my suggestions. When you have
>>>>>>                     agreed on a final definition I will
>>>>>>                     incorporate it into the Chapter Leader
>>>>>>                     Handbook. /
>>>>>>                     /
>>>>>>                     /
>>>>>>                     /It is also important to consider Claudia and
>>>>>>                     Johanna's definition of an active project and
>>>>>>                     active project leader. I presume it is
>>>>>>                     similar, ie, meets minimum
>>>>>>                     requirements/responsive, but not sure if
>>>>>>                     different levels of projects would have
>>>>>>                     different requirements./
>>>>>>                     /Noreen /
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>>>>>>                     OWASP Executive Director
>>>>>>                     paul.ritchie at owasp.org
>>>>>>                     <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>>>>>>                     BAsic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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