[Owasp-board] We need to Lead definition of Active Leader

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Mon Oct 19 16:01:36 UTC 2015


May I suggest that the project folk work on that one...  :)

- Jim

On 10/19/15 5:59 PM, Fabio Cerullo wrote:
> Thanks Noreen. Could you please also come up with a definition for 
> active (project) leader?
>
>
> Fabio Cerullo
> Global Board Member
> OWASP Foundation
> https://www.owasp.org
>
>> On 19 Oct 2015, at 4:51 p.m., Noreen Whysel <noreen.whysel at owasp.org 
>> <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Here are the links to these chapters:
>>
>> Active Chapter Definition:
>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_2:_Mandatory_Chapter_Rules
>>
>> Active Chapter Leader Definition:
>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_5:_Governance
>>
>> The definitions could go before the Contact Us section here:
>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_1:_Handbook_Overview
>>
>> Noreen Whysel
>> Community Manager
>> OWASP Foundation
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Noreen Whysel 
>> <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     I have added my definition of Active Chapter to the lead
>>     paragraph of Chapter 2 of the Chapter Leader Handbook.
>>
>>     I have added the definition of an Active Leader to the first
>>     bullet under 5.1 Leadership in Chapter 5 of the Chapter Leader
>>     Handbook.
>>
>>     Any references to Active Chapter or Active Chapter Leader should
>>     link to these definitions.
>>
>>     Alternatively (or in addition), we could put a section on
>>     Definitions in Chapter 1: Handbook Overview.
>>
>>     Noreen Whysel
>>     Community Manager
>>     OWASP Foundation
>>
>>     On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Noreen Whysel
>>     <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         Ok. Just a clarification. Since chapter leaders can't update
>>         SF it can't be part of the requirement. Wiki page and Mailman
>>         admin is all they need.
>>
>>         ;)
>>
>>         Noreen Whysel
>>         Community Manager
>>         OWASP Foundation
>>
>>         On Oct 16, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Paul Ritchie
>>         <paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>>         Thanks, good feedback.
>>>
>>>         Notice locations - In addition to buried in handbook, I
>>>         think the second highest priority would be to highlight that
>>>         definition on a chapter homepage.    More then that is to
>>>         many places.
>>>
>>>         2 meetings before $500....No, I was just trying to stimulate
>>>         the thought process.  Board did comment that they thought a
>>>         first meeting would be needed anyway to generate a second
>>>         leader.
>>>         So....if you and want to make this decision NOW....I'm OK
>>>         with   1) complete all your 'normal' new chapter paperwork,
>>>         plus 2) must have a second leader officially named on wiki
>>>         and SF database.
>>>
>>>         3.  Re Ghana - I will expect all staff to 'hold the line'  
>>>         $500 is designed as an incentive to "be active" 'get shared'
>>>         leadership and 'be responsive.    If there is no
>>>         update....there is no money.    If he is responsive and
>>>         meets requirements....wow = incentive money.
>>>         I imagine there may be several of these....either not
>>>         responsive, or can't find that 2nd leader.
>>>
>>>         Paul
>>>
>>>         Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>>>         OWASP Executive Director
>>>         paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Noreen Whysel OWASP
>>>         <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>>
>>>         wrote:
>>>
>>>             Q1 chapter handbook under governance chapter only.
>>>             Everywhere else we mention active leaders can link to
>>>             that section but o don't think it is wise to have it all
>>>             over the place in case it changes over time. Projects
>>>             handbook probably has a place that makes sense where it
>>>             discusses leaders.
>>>
>>>             Implementation:
>>>             -notice to leader list and next news flash
>>>             -email alert to all leaders (same list as the monthly
>>>             finding announcement) and include info on how to make
>>>             sure all your leaders are on the Owasp-leaders list by
>>>             adding them to Mailman admin field.
>>>             -edit new leader welcome and Chapter Active? Templates
>>>             on SF.
>>>             -personal email to any leader who has discussed upcoming
>>>             events or funding requirements.
>>>             -probably should do a joint hangout with Tobias and a
>>>             24/7 Podcast to discuss the proposals and what it means
>>>             for chapter and project leaders when the votes are complete.
>>>
>>>             Q2 So chapters would be required to go out of pocket or
>>>             find a local sponsor for two meetings before they can
>>>             get funding? Is this a new addition that the board came
>>>             up with or just something we are knocking around on
>>>             staff? I think this would be prohibitive in some areas.
>>>             It's a bit Catch 22. I fear that a sponsor would want to
>>>             know that a chapter is a going concern before putting
>>>             out funds. At the same time a new chapter leader is only
>>>             going to put himself out of he knows he has foundation
>>>             funding to host a successful meeting and draw attendance.
>>>
>>>             Btw at present Ghana would not qualify for funding
>>>             because he hasn't updated the wiki in two years. I have
>>>             told him that he needs to do it but his response is sort
>>>             of Yeah, Yeah or no response. That worries me
>>>             particularly since he is asking me to help find speakers.
>>>
>>>             Noreen Whysel
>>>             Community Manager
>>>             OWASP Foundation
>>>
>>>             On Oct 16, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Paul Ritchie
>>>             <paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>>
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>>             Hi....OK, if thats the jist of it and it covers the
>>>>             Johanna comments per Josh's email...that I'm good.
>>>>
>>>>             The next step is cutting and pasting this into our
>>>>             'official communication' about these changes to the
>>>>             community. Sharing that draft implementation plan at
>>>>             least internally with staff, getting consensus on
>>>>             timeline and then launching.
>>>>
>>>>             A few, like proposal #4 allow the $500 to be allocated
>>>>             at any NEW Chapter, _effective immediately_, once it
>>>>             completes all its new chapter tasks and has 2 Active
>>>>             leaders.
>>>>
>>>>             Q1  Have you considered where and when you would post
>>>>             this new information on the wiki? Chapter handbook is
>>>>             fine, but other locations....and then your timeline to
>>>>             complete, ie. how will you implement?  is the basis of
>>>>             my question.
>>>>
>>>>             Q2..Must a new Chapter hold its first meeting, or
>>>>             perhaps 2 meetings to qualify for the "new chapter funds?
>>>>             Or, for proposal #4,  is our implementation plan to
>>>>             ensure they meet the minimum requirement of 2 leaders
>>>>             defined, and then all normal new Chapter information
>>>>             documented in Wiki and Sales force...without needing a
>>>>             requirement for a 1st meeting.
>>>>
>>>>             Net net Noreen, I will be documenting and drafting up
>>>>             the implementation project on the budgeting proposals,
>>>>
>>>>             I was looking to have you lead the implementation of
>>>>             the new chapter funding communication & rules...aligned
>>>>             with Claudia re: new projects.
>>>>
>>>>             Of course, I'm totally open to more ideas if you have
>>>>             some other ideas on How best to define & communicate
>>>>             'what was just approved' and how we will implement? It
>>>>             just needs to get done and I want to confirm owners for
>>>>             each portion of work effort.
>>>>
>>>>             Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>>>>             OWASP Executive Director
>>>>             paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Noreen Whysel OWASP
>>>>             <noreen.whysel at owasp.org
>>>>             <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 My impression is that the board is satisfied with
>>>>                 my definition of an active leader. Is there
>>>>                 something missing from your POV from these two
>>>>                 requirements:
>>>>
>>>>                 -Must have contact information clearly accessible
>>>>                 from chapter/project/initiative page.
>>>>                 -Must be responsive to inquiries (i.e. Reply within
>>>>                 7 business days)
>>>>
>>>>                 Noreen Whysel
>>>>                 Community Manager
>>>>                 OWASP Foundation
>>>>
>>>>                 On Oct 16, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Paul Ritchie
>>>>                 <paul.ritchie at owasp.org
>>>>                 <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>                 Hi Noreen - I see your email below but all my
>>>>>                 impressions are that the BoD is expected us on
>>>>>                 Staff to "lead" this discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Fabio isn't going to do it....and since 'we' will
>>>>>                 be implementing and answering all chapter level
>>>>>                 questions, than WE , and by functional
>>>>>                 responsibility....You, are the one to summarize
>>>>>                 responses and propose final definition of Active
>>>>>                 Leader.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Can you do that Monday or Tuesday at the latest.
>>>>>                 Basically send out the preferred definition, as a
>>>>>                 draft, that would allow you or me to make a pretty
>>>>>                 clear decision if the leader is Active...with a
>>>>>                 minimum of potential dispute.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 /Noreen Whysel/
>>>>>                 /5:16 am (1 day ago)/
>>>>>                 /to Fabio, OWASP /
>>>>>                 /I have given my suggestions. When you have agreed
>>>>>                 on a final definition I will incorporate it into
>>>>>                 the Chapter Leader Handbook. /
>>>>>                 /
>>>>>                 /
>>>>>                 /It is also important to consider Claudia and
>>>>>                 Johanna's definition of an active project and
>>>>>                 active project leader. I presume it is similar,
>>>>>                 ie, meets minimum requirements/responsive, but not
>>>>>                 sure if different levels of projects would have
>>>>>                 different requirements./
>>>>>                 /Noreen /
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>>>>>                 OWASP Executive Director
>>>>>                 paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>>>>>                 BAsic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Jim Manico
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