[Owasp-board] We need to Lead definition of Active Leader

Fabio Cerullo fcerullo at owasp.org
Mon Oct 19 15:59:41 UTC 2015


Thanks Noreen. Could you please also come up with a definition for active (project) leader?


Fabio Cerullo
Global Board Member
OWASP Foundation
https://www.owasp.org

> On 19 Oct 2015, at 4:51 p.m., Noreen Whysel <noreen.whysel at owasp.org> wrote:
> 
> Here are the links to these chapters:
> 
> Active Chapter Definition:
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_2:_Mandatory_Chapter_Rules <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_2:_Mandatory_Chapter_Rules>
> 
> Active Chapter Leader Definition:
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_5:_Governance <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_5:_Governance>
> 
> The definitions could go before the Contact Us section here:
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_1:_Handbook_Overview <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_1:_Handbook_Overview>
> 
> Noreen Whysel
> Community Manager
> OWASP Foundation
> 
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Noreen Whysel <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
> I have added my definition of Active Chapter to the lead paragraph of Chapter 2 of the Chapter Leader Handbook.
> 
> I have added the definition of an Active Leader to the first bullet under 5.1 Leadership in Chapter 5 of the Chapter Leader Handbook.
> 
> Any references to Active Chapter or Active Chapter Leader should link to these definitions.
> 
> Alternatively (or in addition), we could put a section on Definitions in Chapter 1: Handbook Overview.
> 
> Noreen Whysel
> Community Manager
> OWASP Foundation
> 
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Noreen Whysel <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
> Ok. Just a clarification. Since chapter leaders can't update SF it can't be part of the requirement. Wiki page and Mailman admin is all they need.
> 
> ;)
> 
> Noreen Whysel
> Community Manager
> OWASP Foundation
> 
> On Oct 16, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Paul Ritchie <paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, good feedback.
>> 
>> Notice locations - In addition to buried in handbook, I think the second highest priority would be to highlight that definition on a chapter homepage.    More then that is to many places.
>> 
>> 2 meetings before $500....No, I was just trying to stimulate the thought process.  Board did comment that they thought a first meeting would be needed anyway to generate a second leader.
>> So....if you and want to make this decision NOW....I'm OK with   1) complete all your 'normal' new chapter paperwork, plus 2) must have a second leader officially named on wiki and SF database.
>> 
>> 3.  Re Ghana - I will expect all staff to 'hold the line'   $500 is designed as an incentive to "be active" 'get shared' leadership and 'be responsive.    If there is no update....there is no money.    If he is responsive and meets requirements....wow = incentive money.
>> I imagine there may be several of these....either not responsive, or can't find that 2nd leader.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>> OWASP Executive Director
>> paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Noreen Whysel OWASP <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>> Q1 chapter handbook under governance chapter only. Everywhere else we mention active leaders can link to that section but o don't think it is wise to have it all over the place in case it changes over time. Projects handbook probably has a place that makes sense where it discusses leaders.
>> 
>> Implementation: 
>> -notice to leader list and next news flash
>> -email alert to all leaders (same list as the monthly finding announcement) and include info on how to make sure all your leaders are on the Owasp-leaders list by adding them to Mailman admin field.
>> -edit new leader welcome and Chapter Active? Templates on SF.
>> -personal email to any leader who has discussed upcoming events or funding requirements.
>> -probably should do a joint hangout with Tobias and a 24/7 Podcast to discuss the proposals and what it means for chapter and project leaders when the votes are complete.
>> 
>> Q2 So chapters would be required to go out of pocket or find a local sponsor for two meetings before they can get funding? Is this a new addition that the board came up with or just something we are knocking around on staff? I think this would be prohibitive in some areas. It's a bit Catch 22. I fear that a sponsor would want to know that a chapter is a going concern before putting out funds. At the same time a new chapter leader is only going to put himself out of he knows he has foundation funding to host a successful meeting and draw attendance.
>> 
>> Btw at present Ghana would not qualify for funding because he hasn't updated the wiki in two years. I have told him that he needs to do it but his response is sort of Yeah, Yeah or no response. That worries me particularly since he is asking me to help find speakers.
>> 
>> Noreen Whysel
>> Community Manager
>> OWASP Foundation
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Paul Ritchie <paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi....OK, if thats the jist of it and it covers the Johanna comments per Josh's email...that I'm good.
>>> 
>>> The next step is cutting and pasting this into our 'official communication' about these changes to the community.   Sharing that draft implementation plan at least internally with staff, getting consensus on timeline and then launching.
>>> 
>>> A few, like proposal #4 allow the $500 to be allocated at any NEW Chapter, effective immediately, once it completes all its new chapter tasks and has 2 Active leaders.
>>> 
>>> Q1  Have you considered where and when you would post this new information on the wiki?  Chapter handbook is fine, but other locations....and then your timeline to complete, ie. how will you implement?  is the basis of my question.
>>> 
>>> Q2..Must a new Chapter hold its first meeting, or perhaps 2 meetings to qualify for the "new chapter funds?
>>> Or, for proposal #4,  is our implementation plan to ensure they meet the minimum requirement of 2 leaders defined, and then all normal new Chapter information documented in Wiki and Sales force...without needing a requirement for a 1st meeting.
>>> 
>>> Net net Noreen, I will be documenting and drafting up the implementation project on the budgeting proposals,
>>> 
>>> I was looking to have you lead the implementation of the new chapter funding communication & rules...aligned with Claudia re: new projects.
>>> 
>>> Of course, I'm totally open to more ideas if you have some other ideas on How best to define & communicate 'what was just approved' and how we will implement?   It just needs to get done and I want to confirm owners for each portion of work effort.
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>>> OWASP Executive Director
>>> paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Noreen Whysel OWASP <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>> My impression is that the board is satisfied with my definition of an active leader. Is there something missing from your POV from these two requirements:
>>> 
>>> -Must have contact information clearly accessible from chapter/project/initiative page.
>>> -Must be responsive to inquiries (i.e. Reply within 7 business days)
>>> 
>>> Noreen Whysel
>>> Community Manager
>>> OWASP Foundation
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Paul Ritchie <paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Noreen - I see your email below but all my impressions are that the BoD is expected us on Staff to "lead" this discussion.
>>>> 
>>>> Fabio isn't going to do it....and since 'we' will be implementing and answering all chapter level questions, than WE , and by functional responsibility....You, are the one to summarize responses and propose final definition of Active Leader.
>>>> 
>>>> Can you do that Monday or Tuesday at the latest. 
>>>> Basically send out the preferred definition, as a draft, that would allow you or me to make a pretty clear decision if the leader is Active...with a minimum of potential dispute.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Noreen Whysel
>>>> 5:16 am (1 day ago)
>>>> to Fabio, OWASP 
>>>> I have given my suggestions. When you have agreed on a final definition I will incorporate it into the Chapter Leader Handbook. 
>>>> 
>>>> It is also important to consider Claudia and Johanna's definition of an active project and active project leader. I presume it is similar, ie, meets minimum requirements/responsive, but not sure if different levels of projects would have different requirements.
>>>> Noreen 
>>>> 
>>>> Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>>>> OWASP Executive Director
>>>> paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>>>> BAsic
>>> 
>> 
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