[Owasp-board] We need to Lead definition of Active Leader

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Mon Oct 19 15:54:04 UTC 2015

Perfect. Thanks for taking this on, Noreen. Happy Monday!


On 10/19/15 5:51 PM, Noreen Whysel wrote:
> Here are the links to these chapters:
> Active Chapter Definition:
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_2:_Mandatory_Chapter_Rules
> Active Chapter Leader Definition:
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_5:_Governance
> The definitions could go before the Contact Us section here:
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_1:_Handbook_Overview
> Noreen Whysel
> Community Manager
> OWASP Foundation
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Noreen Whysel 
> <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>     I have added my definition of Active Chapter to the lead paragraph
>     of Chapter 2 of the Chapter Leader Handbook.
>     I have added the definition of an Active Leader to the first
>     bullet under 5.1 Leadership in Chapter 5 of the Chapter Leader
>     Handbook.
>     Any references to Active Chapter or Active Chapter Leader should
>     link to these definitions.
>     Alternatively (or in addition), we could put a section on
>     Definitions in Chapter 1: Handbook Overview.
>     Noreen Whysel
>     Community Manager
>     OWASP Foundation
>     On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Noreen Whysel
>     <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>         Ok. Just a clarification. Since chapter leaders can't update
>         SF it can't be part of the requirement. Wiki page and Mailman
>         admin is all they need.
>         ;)
>         Noreen Whysel
>         Community Manager
>         OWASP Foundation
>         On Oct 16, 2015, at 5:53 PM, Paul Ritchie
>         <paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>         Thanks, good feedback.
>>         Notice locations - In addition to buried in handbook, I think
>>         the second highest priority would be to highlight that
>>         definition on a chapter homepage.    More then that is to
>>         many places.
>>         2 meetings before $500....No, I was just trying to stimulate
>>         the thought process.  Board did comment that they thought a
>>         first meeting would be needed anyway to generate a second leader.
>>         So....if you and want to make this decision NOW....I'm OK
>>         with 1) complete all your 'normal' new chapter paperwork,
>>         plus 2) must have a second leader officially named on wiki
>>         and SF database.
>>         3.  Re Ghana - I will expect all staff to 'hold the line'  
>>         $500 is designed as an incentive to "be active" 'get shared'
>>         leadership and 'be responsive.    If there is no
>>         update....there is no money.    If he is responsive and meets
>>         requirements....wow = incentive money.
>>         I imagine there may be several of these....either not
>>         responsive, or can't find that 2nd leader.
>>         Paul
>>         Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>>         OWASP Executive Director
>>         paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>>         On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Noreen Whysel OWASP
>>         <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>             Q1 chapter handbook under governance chapter only.
>>             Everywhere else we mention active leaders can link to
>>             that section but o don't think it is wise to have it all
>>             over the place in case it changes over time. Projects
>>             handbook probably has a place that makes sense where it
>>             discusses leaders.
>>             Implementation:
>>             -notice to leader list and next news flash
>>             -email alert to all leaders (same list as the monthly
>>             finding announcement) and include info on how to make
>>             sure all your leaders are on the Owasp-leaders list by
>>             adding them to Mailman admin field.
>>             -edit new leader welcome and Chapter Active? Templates on SF.
>>             -personal email to any leader who has discussed upcoming
>>             events or funding requirements.
>>             -probably should do a joint hangout with Tobias and a
>>             24/7 Podcast to discuss the proposals and what it means
>>             for chapter and project leaders when the votes are complete.
>>             Q2 So chapters would be required to go out of pocket or
>>             find a local sponsor for two meetings before they can get
>>             funding? Is this a new addition that the board came up
>>             with or just something we are knocking around on staff? I
>>             think this would be prohibitive in some areas. It's a bit
>>             Catch 22. I fear that a sponsor would want to know that a
>>             chapter is a going concern before putting out funds. At
>>             the same time a new chapter leader is only going to put
>>             himself out of he knows he has foundation funding to host
>>             a successful meeting and draw attendance.
>>             Btw at present Ghana would not qualify for funding
>>             because he hasn't updated the wiki in two years. I have
>>             told him that he needs to do it but his response is sort
>>             of Yeah, Yeah or no response. That worries me
>>             particularly since he is asking me to help find speakers.
>>             Noreen Whysel
>>             Community Manager
>>             OWASP Foundation
>>             On Oct 16, 2015, at 5:10 PM, Paul Ritchie
>>             <paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>>
>>             wrote:
>>>             Hi....OK, if thats the jist of it and it covers the
>>>             Johanna comments per Josh's email...that I'm good.
>>>             The next step is cutting and pasting this into our
>>>             'official communication' about these changes to the
>>>             community.   Sharing that draft implementation plan at
>>>             least internally with staff, getting consensus on
>>>             timeline and then launching.
>>>             A few, like proposal #4 allow the $500 to be allocated
>>>             at any NEW Chapter, _effective immediately_, once it
>>>             completes all its new chapter tasks and has 2 Active
>>>             leaders.
>>>             Q1  Have you considered where and when you would post
>>>             this new information on the wiki? Chapter handbook is
>>>             fine, but other locations....and then your timeline to
>>>             complete, ie. how will you implement?  is the basis of
>>>             my question.
>>>             Q2..Must a new Chapter hold its first meeting, or
>>>             perhaps 2 meetings to qualify for the "new chapter funds?
>>>             Or, for proposal #4,  is our implementation plan to
>>>             ensure they meet the minimum requirement of 2 leaders
>>>             defined, and then all normal new Chapter information
>>>             documented in Wiki and Sales force...without needing a
>>>             requirement for a 1st meeting.
>>>             Net net Noreen, I will be documenting and drafting up
>>>             the implementation project on the budgeting proposals,
>>>             I was looking to have you lead the implementation of the
>>>             new chapter funding communication & rules...aligned with
>>>             Claudia re: new projects.
>>>             Of course, I'm totally open to more ideas if you have
>>>             some other ideas on How best to define & communicate
>>>             'what was just approved' and how we will implement?   It
>>>             just needs to get done and I want to confirm owners for
>>>             each portion of work effort.
>>>             Paul
>>>             Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>>>             OWASP Executive Director
>>>             paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>>>             On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Noreen Whysel OWASP
>>>             <noreen.whysel at owasp.org
>>>             <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>                 My impression is that the board is satisfied with my
>>>                 definition of an active leader. Is there something
>>>                 missing from your POV from these two requirements:
>>>                 -Must have contact information clearly accessible
>>>                 from chapter/project/initiative page.
>>>                 -Must be responsive to inquiries (i.e. Reply within
>>>                 7 business days)
>>>                 Noreen Whysel
>>>                 Community Manager
>>>                 OWASP Foundation
>>>                 On Oct 16, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Paul Ritchie
>>>                 <paul.ritchie at owasp.org
>>>                 <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>                 Hi Noreen - I see your email below but all my
>>>>                 impressions are that the BoD is expected us on
>>>>                 Staff to "lead" this discussion.
>>>>                 Fabio isn't going to do it....and since 'we' will
>>>>                 be implementing and answering all chapter level
>>>>                 questions, than WE , and by functional
>>>>                 responsibility....You, are the one to summarize
>>>>                 responses and propose final definition of Active
>>>>                 Leader.
>>>>                 Can you do that Monday or Tuesday at the latest.
>>>>                 Basically send out the preferred definition, as a
>>>>                 draft, that would allow you or me to make a pretty
>>>>                 clear decision if the leader is Active...with a
>>>>                 minimum of potential dispute.
>>>>                 /Noreen Whysel/
>>>>                 /5:16 am (1 day ago)/
>>>>                 /to Fabio, OWASP /
>>>>                 /I have given my suggestions. When you have agreed
>>>>                 on a final definition I will incorporate it into
>>>>                 the Chapter Leader Handbook. /
>>>>                 /
>>>>                 /
>>>>                 /It is also important to consider Claudia and
>>>>                 Johanna's definition of an active project and
>>>>                 active project leader. I presume it is similar, ie,
>>>>                 meets minimum requirements/responsive, but not sure
>>>>                 if different levels of projects would have
>>>>                 different requirements./
>>>>                 /Noreen /
>>>>                 Best Regards, Paul Ritchie
>>>>                 OWASP Executive Director
>>>>                 paul.ritchie at owasp.org <mailto:paul.ritchie at owasp.org>
>>>>                 BAsic
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Jim Manico
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