[Owasp-board] Fwd: OWASP Foundation - PCI Training - Call for trainers

johanna curiel curiel johanna.curiel at owasp.org
Thu May 7 12:39:49 UTC 2015


+1 with Seba

I would like very much to participate in this initiative.

On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Seba <seba at owasp.org> wrote:

> from the reactions I see - this could probably be more "socialized"
> beforehand :-)
> but I do not really see this different than a call for trainings for a
> conference, as the outcome will also be available for everyone.  Which is
> even better than the conference trainings - which remain "private" to the
> paying attendees.
> 1) the company gets a quality training
> 2) OWASP gets a share to continue its work
> 3) we get quality training online
> This  is all pretty much in line with the OWASP mission & everybody wins
> If well managed, this can be an extra way of bringing trainings to the
> masses and generate an extra income to support the organisation/mission.
>
> regards
>
> Seba
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 5:13 AM Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> I wasn't involved in it, but I think that the idea was to help a company
>> looking for AppSec training to find a reputable vendor.  Ultimately I agree
>> with both of you.  OWASP shouldn't be trying to arrange training vendors
>> for companies like this.  It would be one thing if it were a public
>> training and this were a public CFT for that.  It's a whole different thing
>> to be hiring a trainer for a private training.
>>
>> ~josh
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree 1000% Jason; but I'm a trainer and am biased.
>>>
>>> I'll tell you this: the board did not authorize this email and we are
>>> discussing it with staff in a hopefully respectful matter.
>>>
>>> More on this soon.
>>>
>>> Aloha,
>>> --
>>> Jim Manico
>>> @Manicode
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>>>
>>> On May 6, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Jason Li <jason.li at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> So was this a legitimate email?
>>>
>>> Per Martin's message, I'm a little surprised to see it given OWASP's
>>> general stance on vendor neutrality.
>>>
>>> If the training will be publicly available via OWASP channels and
>>> revenue is split with the organization, it would seem reasonable by an
>>> outsider to infer endorsement of the trainer by OWASP.
>>>
>>> Per Michael's note, some additional details and insights might help
>>> frame the request...
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>>
>>> _____________________________
>>> From: Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2015 3:02 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] Fwd: OWASP Foundation - PCI Training - Call
>>> for trainers
>>> To: Seba <seba at owasp.org>
>>> Cc: OWASP Foundation Board List <owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>  I received this email on 3 or 4 lists. I can only assume we sent it to
>>> all mailing lists.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 5, 2015, at 11:26 PM, Seba < seba at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>   in the footer it states
>>> "You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>> Groups "OWASP Summit 2013" group." ??
>>>  regards
>>>  Seba
>>>
>>>  On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 8:21 AM Michael Coates <
>>> michael.coates at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Did we send this out to the all of our mailing lists?
>>>>
>>>>  It seems very ad hoc and without the right info for a mass email.
>>>>
>>>>  Why would we want to send a trainer rfp to 10,000s of people for a
>>>> 125 person event?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>>   *From:* "The OWASP Foundation" < The_OWASP_Foundation at mail.vresp.com>
>>>>
>>>> *Date:* May 5, 2015 at 7:39:12 PM PDT
>>>> *To:* owasp-summit-2013 at owasp.org
>>>> *Subject:* *OWASP Foundation - PCI Training - Call for trainers*
>>>> *Reply-To:* owasp-summit-2013 at owasp.org
>>>>
>>>>       [image: spacer.gif]
>>>> [image: owasp_logo copy 4]
>>>>   [image: spacer.gif]  [image: spacer.gif]  [image: spacer.gif]
>>>>
>>>> OWASP has been asked by an organization to provide PCI training to
>>>> their team of 125 developers and a high level training to their 1000+ end
>>>> users, or "card handlers"
>>>>
>>>>  Below are the general guidelines for the training program
>>>>  [image: image002.png]
>>>>
>>>> The developer training will be held as 5, 4 hour, virtual classes with
>>>> 25 students in each class.
>>>>
>>>> The card handler training will be completed through a 1 hour recorded
>>>> webinar.
>>>>
>>>> The recorded webinar will be posted on the OWASP YouTube Channel and be
>>>> publicly available.
>>>>
>>>> This is a paid training opportunity.  The standard 40/60 revenue split
>>>> with the trainer will be in effect.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please submit your course outline and abstract here:
>>>>  https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=pci20150
>>>> <http://cts.vresp.com/c/?TheOWASPFoundation/a5e036ccf0/4f163f6020/b5b0d0cef7/conf=pci20150>
>>>>
>>>>  Submission Deadline is May 15, 2015
>>>>  In addition to the CFT, we would also like to engage the community to
>>>> be on the team to review the proposals.  Members of the review team can not
>>>> have submitted proposals. If you are able to participate, please Contact
>>>> Us
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