[Owasp-board] [Owasp-leaders] Fwd: Project Summit countdown
josh.sokol at owasp.org
Mon Feb 9 02:41:06 UTC 2015
Just to be clear, I believe the Board tentatively approved your request for
the $10k, but requested that you provided a more detailed budget showing
what you intended to use the money for. I don't remember you asking if you
could solicit sponsors through OWASP, but I, personally, don't see any
reason why we couldn't help with that part of the fundraising.
On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:06 PM, johanna curiel curiel <
johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
> Hi Collin
> Indeed my mistake, we didn't set a deadline yet,however by first week of
> March we will close the participation opportunity. We have publish an
> invitation for participation through the OWASP connector
> My answers below
> 1. The comment about "launch and or promote" in that email confused me
> because I thought summits were to generate outputs. Is it more like a
> project showcase? If so, are OWASP projects not a part of the main
> conference program?
> *A summit is not a showcase but an opportunity to have all leaders
> together to discuss and generate output, guidelines, give direction , take
> decision regarding the direction of projects in general. But I think we
> might turn towards Showcases instead of Summits*
> 2. The AppsecEU website doesn't mention this summit. What will be done to
> promote it?
> *Correct. We are looking to first determine how many leaders want to
> assist, apply for a budget and sponsoring in order to publish this
> together *
> 3. Who is getting paid/what?
> *We are looking for sponsors to at least pay for accommodation and
> tickets. The Boards has not answer my question if there is available budget
> for this and if I can send invitation through OWASP to get sponsors. I have
> proposed to ask for sponsors that could help us cover the expenses. This
> summit should have the leaders of the Flagship projects, LABS and the best
> out of the incubators. An invitation was sent to the Flagships and, only a
> couple of them reacted that they could assist*
> 4 . The date and that there are two rooms appear to be new information
> today. What else can be shared please?
> *We are looking for budget but important to determine is, how many leaders
> are willing to assist in order to create a final budget
> covering accommodation/tickets and food for them. No leaders, no summit.*
> 5. What else will the summit be competing with on the same day?
> *The conference sessions on that day*
> Hope this has clarified your questions.
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 3:56 PM, colin.watson at owasp.org <
> colin.watson at owasp.org> wrote:
>> The Amsterdam "project summit " invitation I saw was sent on 21st January:
>> What is the deadline please?
>> Could you provide any more detrimental than appear in the firm's
>> 1. The comment about "launch and or promote" in that email confused me
>> because I thought summits were to generate outputs. Is it more like a
>> project showcase? If so, are OWASP projects not a part of the main
>> conference program?
>> 2. The AppsecEU website doesn't mention this summit. What will be done to
>> promote it?
>> 3. Who is getting paid/what?
>> 4 . The date and that there are two rooms appear to be new information
>> today. What else can be shared please?
>> 5. What else will the summit be competing with on the same day?
>> I am sure other projects will want to participate.
>> Regards Colin
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "johanna curiel curiel" <johanna.curiel at owasp.org>
>> To: "owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org" <owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org>
>> Subject: [Owasp-leaders] Fwd: Project Summit countdown
>> Date: Sun, Feb 8, 2015 18:29
>> >Back to the Project Summit, the interesting question is: *should OWASP
>> invest 50k or 100k on its projects? *
>> Well that is the golden question. I have the impression that key decision
>> makers are reluctant for this part, since it is not clear what will be the
>> output from this. This has being mentioned to me in the past.
>> The question is, how effective is to invest 50 or 100k in a summit and
>> what do we get out of it?
>> I think OWASP should at least invest and help promote those flagship
>> projects and LABS/Incubators doing an excellent work . That is how Project
>> leaders can promote and spread the word out about their projects with OWASP
>> support. But, what about new blood and innovative thinking? I'm seeing many
>> vulnerabilities that are not being handle with new projects or fresh
>> The key factor is, there is low participation and motivation within the
>> Project leaders. There is not really new blood of ideas coming in and some
>> leaders have decided to start their projects outside OWASP.
>> This is what we need to change and reach, more participation, community
>> bonding and innovative projects.
>> *An idea*
>> All major flagship/LABS and the best incubators projects should be
>> present at Defcon/OWASP conference for the "OWASP Hackaton Contest"
>> Budget: 50,000K
>> - Build new features for OWASP projects,
>> - Promote OWASP projects and Chapters
>> - Help actual projects to move fwd with development
>> - Get new volunteers to work on projects
>> - Start new innovative projects
>> OWASP Hackaton Activities:
>> - Help build new features,
>> - Start a new innovative project
>> - Become an owaps member/volunteer/start a chapter
>> - Write documentation,
>> - Motivation for participation: get recognition and a price(plenty
>> small prices can be given away such as : Drinks/Food vouchers , T-Shirts
>> This hackaton should be fun, and help people connect and participate
>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Dinis Cruz <dinis.cruz at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Johanna, as you are seeing, it's really hard to create an OWASP
>>> Project Summit with the current model (with little funding, with no
>>> dedicated team, attached to a conference, etc..)
>>> The formula that worked in the past was to start with a set budget (lets
>>> say 50k to 100k) and :
>>> - use those funds to make sure the key players (in this case project
>>> leaders and 'new players') are going to attend (by offering to cover all
>>> travel and accommodation expenses (while asking them if they can get their
>>> employee to pay instead))
>>> - hire a dedicated summit team (for that period)
>>> - secure dedicated venue and summit resources
>>> - generate a huge amount of energy about the summit sessions
>>> (starting by inventing all sorts of sessions, until the real sessions
>>> become solid)
>>> - cast a very wide net of 'invitations to attend the summit' (with
>>> the vision that* 'the summit is THE place to be, where all the key
>>> players will be in the same location, and where REAL work can be done'*
>>> The hard part is making people 'believe' in the Summit. The objective is
>>> for our leaders (and attendees) to create the sessions that THEY want to
>>> attend (on top of the infrastructure provided by the Summit). By definition
>>> those sessions will be interested to others, and eventually a virtuous
>>> cycle will start to occur.
>>> Back to the Project Summit, the interesting question is: *should OWASP
>>> invest 50k or 100k on its projects? *
>>> I think the answer is *YES *since Owasp's projects are critical part of
>>> OWASP (which deserves solid investment)
>>> Here are some of my blog posts about my views on OWASP Summits and OWASP
>>> - Summits must be part of OWASP's DNA
>>> - Great description of why OWASP Summits are special
>>> - OWASP Revenue Splits and the "Non-profits have a charter to be
>>> - I want to vote for a Summit Team+Vision , NOT for a venue
>>> - Some proposed Visions for next OWASP Summit
>>> - Why large OWASP projects start to stale (and who should pay for
>>> the work)
>>> - OWASP: Proposed change for SoC: Use budget to pay for project
>>> related expenses
>>> - Sometimes the best response is just say 'YES'
>>> - I wish that OWASP in 2014 ....
>>> - OWASP Principles based on NHS?
>>> - On how to get paid to work on OWASP projects
>>> - ROI on OWASP investment on Projects (ie paying leaders)
>>> - Improved Wikipedia funding page, why OWASP needs something
>>> similar, and who buys OWASP Corporate Memberships
>>> On 7 February 2015 at 19:47, johanna curiel curiel <
>>> johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>> Board and Project Leaders
>>>> After a first call to get people to assist and participate into the
>>>> Project Summit NL, only 2 major projects(Flagship) have reacted and would
>>>> like to participate.
>>>> - OWASP ZAP
>>>> - OWTF
>>>> Right now we have 2 rooms available for this day-20th May (Martin
>>>> please confirm if this is still the case)
>>>> For the rest I think we definitely need to breed in new life into
>>>> projects participation. It can be that for projects with leaders located in
>>>> USA, it will be more convenient to have a small summit there specially for
>>>> them or, we can try to promote participation to projects (looking for
>>>> volunteers, starting a project etc).
>>>> So far , I don't think we can call this a Project Summit , and it might
>>>> get down to ZAP/OWTF summit
>>>> In that case is essential to know:
>>>> - Identify how many people will be assisting to the ZAP and OWTF
>>>> - IF Traveling tickets and accommodation could be paid for ZAP/OWTF
>>>> - Coffee break sponsorship for the attendees of this summit
>>>> That will basically resume the costs. based on this low attendance I
>>>> don't think I'll be present in Amsterdam.
>>>> I think we need to think of another strategy to promote Owasp projects
>>>> through summits if we want to continue with this. What do we want to
>>>> achieve indeed?
>>>> My impression is that no new innovative projects are being started at
>>>> We definitely need new 'blood' and innovative thinkers
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