[Owasp-board] For Discussion - Hourly contractor for wiki housekeeping
Jim Manico
jim.manico at owasp.org
Sun Aug 9 20:42:44 UTC 2015
Bev,
I am hoping that two things will happen...
1) Either more volunteers will jump in and help with "Wiki
Curator/Editing" activities.
2) Volunteers will be more away of this team and send comments about
out-of-date wiki issues to us.
Please spread the word on these efforts - I'll do the same on Monday.
Michael Coates : Thank you for bringing this up and I 100% agree a full
time effort is very much prudent.
Aloha,
Jim
On 8/9/15 10:27 AM, Bev Corwin wrote:
> +1 and offer suggestions for improvements, working with the wiki team,
> to optimize efforts, as well.
>
> Bev
>
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org
> <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
> Yep, I agree. Redirect over delete is standard operating procedure
> to preserve search engine links and similar. However, for "junk
> pages" with no content and nothing to preserve (and there are
> plenty of these) delete suggestions are best. Here is the full
> list of categories we have been working with.
>
> Following mediawiki categories are uses to tag
> pages|[[Categorie:FIXME]]|
> |[[Categorie:FIXME/delete]]| recommended for permanent
> deletion
> |[[Categorie:FIXME/design]]| recommended for good content
> that needs to be redesigned to look better
> |[[Categorie:FIXME/general]]|
> |[[Categorie:FIXME/historical]]| out of date but archived for
> historical context
> |[[Categorie:FIXME/inactiveDraft]]| draft content that was
> never finished
> |[[Categorie:FIXME/merge]]| duplicate content that needs to
> be merged with another doc
> |[[Categorie:FIXME/old]]| old content that needs updating
> |[[Categorie:FIXME/partialOld]]| old content that needs
> updating
> |[[Categorie:FIXME/pls review]]| recently updated, requesting
> review
> |[[Categorie:FIXME/reviewed]]|
> |[[Categorie:FIXME/reviewed/2014]]| recommended when good
> content has been reviewed that needs no changes
> |[[Categorie:FIXME/reviewed/2015]]| recommended when good
> content has been reviewed that needs no changes
> |[[Categorie:FIXME/reviewed/2016]]| recommended when good
> content has been reviewed that needs no changes
> |[[Categorie:FIXME/silentMode]]|
>
>
> I hope that if we do hire someone to work on the wiki that they
> leverage and start from the current efforts.
>
> Aloha,
> --
> Jim Manico
> Global Board Member
> OWASP Foundation
> https://www.owasp.org <https://www.owasp.org/>
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> On Aug 9, 2015, at 8:38 AM, Noreen Whysel <noreen.whysel at owasp.org
> <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Matt on this. A redirect will preserve the
>> historical context of a page which is important even if the
>> content is ultimately deemed outdated or no longer needed. At
>> some time a project was created and it was important to that
>> team. For whatever reason it died. From an archiving perspective,
>> preserving it shows what members of the Foundation were working
>> on at a given time. Also, there may be a time in the future, when
>> someone wants to revive it or use some of the information and
>> tools developed on that project for a new one. It would be a
>> shame to lose that work.
>>
>> Redirects are simple. Add #REDIRECT [[:NewPage]] to the edit
>> field and it will redirect to the new page. All the old page
>> history is saved and viewed very easily by typing the URL,
>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php?title=Old_Page_Title&action=history.
>>
>> The only time I have ever considered deleting a page was when I
>> created one and decided I needed it to have a different page
>> name. Unfortunately changing a page name is not allowed.
>>
>> Noreen Whysel
>> Community Manager
>> OWASP Foundation
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Matt Tesauro <matt.tesauro at owasp.org
>> <mailto:matt.tesauro at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI: My understanding of the general use of Wikis is that
>>> deletion is the 'nuclear' option and only be used very
>>> sparingly. I tend to use redirects rather then deletions so
>>> that any inward links find useful content. I'd suggest that as
>>> a general strategy over deleting a page since it preserves the
>>> history of the older page, is easier to do then deletions and
>>> can be undone in future should needs change.
>>>
>>> The last time I did a page deletion was several years ago where
>>> there was something accidentally posted to the wiki which raised
>>> privacy issues for the particular country where those members
>>> lived. To be honest, you work against the wiki software when
>>> you do a deletion quite by design.
>>>
>>> For empty or never updated default project pages, I'd simply
>>> redirect those to the main project page on the wiki. I think we
>>> will do ourselves a favor to keep inbound links working even if
>>> they redirect to other related content. If someone is coming to
>>> the wiki, it is presumably to find some content so providing
>>> related content via a redirect is preferable to a 'this page
>>> has been deleted' or an empty 'edit me' page in my opinion.
>>>
>>> HTH.
>>>
>>> --
>>> -- Matt Tesauro
>>> OWASP WTE Project Lead
>>> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project
>>> http://AppSecLive.org - Community and Download site
>>> OWASP OpenStack Security Project Lead
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_OpenStack_Security_Project
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:56 AM, johanna curiel curiel
>>> <johanna.curiel at owasp.org <mailto:johanna.curiel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> One of those FIXME is about WebScarab which I do not agree
>>>
>>> WebScarab is still in use and should not be deleted. I would
>>> like to classify that content as 'Low Activity' or Inactive,
>>> especially for valuable content projects but not actively
>>> maintained.
>>>
>>> @Noreen: I can create categories but I cannot delete wiki
>>> pages that have been created. You must be an
>>> admin:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_delete_a_page
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Johanna
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Noreen Whysel
>>> <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Johanna,
>>>
>>> Have you tried creating a new category? Type
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:new-category-name
>>> and see if it lets you edit the new category page. BTW,
>>> the wiki seems to be extremely slow today.
>>>
>>> Are you able to view the Special Pages for Categories?
>>> If not you may not have a high enough user setting. It
>>> doesn't seem that all the categories are protected
>>> pages, but I am not sure.
>>>
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Special:Categories
>>>
>>> There are also category tracking functions built into
>>> Mediawiki. None of the pages appear to be populated,
>>> which could just mean there are no pages using these
>>> tags or having the tracked problems.
>>>
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Special:TrackingCategories
>>>
>>> Timo, There is a FIXME category tag for FIXME/delete and
>>> another for candidate for deletion that I believe people
>>> had been using to recommend pages to delete. You can see
>>> all the FIXME categories on the Category:FIXME page. I
>>> think Matt Tesauro is the only person who has deletion
>>> rights, but he may know if there are others.
>>>
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:FIXME
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:FIXME/delete
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:CandidateForDeletion
>>>
>>> Noreen Whysel
>>> Community Manager
>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Timo Goosen
>>> <timo.goosen at owasp.org <mailto:timo.goosen at owasp.org>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If I had ability to delete useless pages off the
>>> wiki, then a significant cleanup would be done from
>>> my side.
>>>
>>> I would also like to hear answers to Johanna's
>>> questions.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Timo
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:55 PM, johanna curiel
>>> curiel <johanna.curiel at owasp.org
>>> <mailto:johanna.curiel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Board
>>>
>>> Regarding your action to hire a contractor and a
>>> technical editor to clean up the wiki
>>>
>>> As you know many of the pages are indeed project
>>> pages
>>> I have asked multiple times access to clean up
>>> the category section which I do not have access
>>> to.But no anwer has been provided clearly on how
>>> to do this.
>>>
>>> Will this potential contractor(s) handle content
>>> related to wiki pages projects?
>>> Have you though about who will manage these
>>> actions , since in my opinion, an external
>>> party will not know which content to clean and
>>> which not?
>>>
>>> I would like to hear your thoughts about this
>>> and if you have consider the Project task force
>>> team to get involved in this action
>>>
>>> My biggest concern is that you hire someone that
>>> has no idea about the content, So how will this
>>> person be able to clean up something properly or
>>> not? And to create relevant content?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Johanna
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Jim Manico
>>> <jim.manico at owasp.org
>>> <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jim Manico
>>> Global Board Member
>>> OWASP Foundation
>>> https://www.owasp.org <https://www.owasp.org/>
>>> Join me at AppSecUSA
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>>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2015, at 7:09 AM, Matt Konda
>>> <matt.konda at owasp.org
>>> <mailto:matt.konda at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Should we aim bigger and make this part of
>>>> a contract tech writer's responsibilities?
>>>>
>>>> Matt Konda
>>>> @mkonda
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 5, 2015, at 4:32 AM, Fabio Cerullo
>>>> <fcerullo at owasp.org
>>>> <mailto:fcerullo at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I support the idea on getting some
>>>>> professional help for the wiki. Maybe we
>>>>> could allocate a small budget to start with?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible to come up with a list of
>>>>> pages that need maintenance based on the
>>>>> Wiki categorisation below?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Fabio Cerullo
>>>>> Global Board Member
>>>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>>> https://www.owasp.org
>>>>> Join me at AppSecUSA 2015
>>>>> <https://2015.appsecusa.org> in San Francisco!
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4 Aug 2015, at 19:34, Jim Manico
>>>>>> <jim.manico at owasp.org
>>>>>> <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > But, we need a bit more focus. Let's
>>>>>> pay a few bucks and just get some
>>>>>> dedicated time on it for awhile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 I think this is an important idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jim Manico
>>>>>> Global Board Member
>>>>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org
>>>>>> <https://www.owasp.org/>
>>>>>> Join me at AppSecUSA
>>>>>> <http://appsecusa.org/> 2015!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 7:52 AM, Michael
>>>>>> Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org
>>>>>> <mailto:michael.coates at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All great thing and I'd want to use the
>>>>>>> systems we have in place for sure. My
>>>>>>> comment/idea is that we've tried to do
>>>>>>> this from a volunteer angle for many
>>>>>>> years. Loe their effort and what they've
>>>>>>> done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, we need a bit more focus. Let's pay
>>>>>>> a few bucks and just get some dedicated
>>>>>>> time on it for awhile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Michael Coates | @_mwc
>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=_mwc>
>>>>>>> OWASP Global Board
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>>>>>>> Francisco!
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Noreen
>>>>>>> Whysel OWASP <noreen.whysel at owasp.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a category called FIXME
>>>>>>> that the wiki editing project uses
>>>>>>> to tag content that have errors. I
>>>>>>> do not know how active that team is
>>>>>>> at the moment but we can use these
>>>>>>> tags to label pages with errors. It
>>>>>>> would be good to start with labeling
>>>>>>> tools we already have in place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would actually be happy to run an
>>>>>>> editathon at AppSecUSA as part of my
>>>>>>> chapter leader workshop. I was
>>>>>>> hoping to find members of the wiki
>>>>>>> editing team to help out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:FIXME
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Noreen Whysel
>>>>>>> Community Manager
>>>>>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Michael
>>>>>>> Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:michael.coates at owasp.org>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Board,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Added as a board meeting topic (if
>>>>>>>> necessary). Circulating for comment
>>>>>>>> via email.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try as we might, we just haven't
>>>>>>>> had enough volunteer focus on wiki
>>>>>>>> upkeep. Wouldn't it be great to
>>>>>>>> part with a few hundred dollars a
>>>>>>>> month and have a wiki that is
>>>>>>>> organized with tagging that
>>>>>>>> indicates "hot content" or content
>>>>>>>> that needs updating? That plus
>>>>>>>> normal clean up of dead links,
>>>>>>>> duplicate page flagging etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is a minuscule amount of funds
>>>>>>>> towards the overall budget and
>>>>>>>> would sure help with the delivery
>>>>>>>> of information to the world. Would
>>>>>>>> also help with volunteer engagement
>>>>>>>> since they'd know what content
>>>>>>>> needs attention.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Michael Coates | @_mwc
>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=_mwc>
>>>>>>>> OWASP Global Board
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>>>>>>>> Francisco!
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