[Owasp-board] For Discussion - Hourly contractor for wiki housekeeping

Bev Corwin bev.corwin at owasp.org
Sun Aug 9 20:27:35 UTC 2015


+1 and offer suggestions for improvements, working with the wiki team, to
optimize efforts, as well.

Bev

On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:

> Yep, I agree. Redirect over delete is standard operating procedure to
> preserve search engine links and similar. However, for "junk pages" with no
> content and nothing to preserve (and there are plenty of these) delete
> suggestions are best. Here is the full list of categories we have been
> working with.
>
> Following mediawiki categories are uses to tag pages[[Categorie:FIXME]]
> [[Categorie:FIXME/delete‏‎]]recommended for permanent deletion
> [[Categorie:FIXME/design]]recommended for good content that needs to be
> redesigned to look better[[Categorie:FIXME/general]]
> [[Categorie:FIXME/historical]]out of date but archived for historical
> context[[Categorie:FIXME/inactiveDraft]]draft content that was never
> finished[[Categorie:FIXME/merge]]duplicate content that needs to be
> merged with another doc[[Categorie:FIXME/old]]old content that needs
> updating[[Categorie:FIXME/partialOld‏‎]]old content that needs updating[[Categorie:FIXME/pls
> review]]recently updated, requesting review[[Categorie:FIXME/reviewed‏‎]]
> [[Categorie:FIXME/reviewed/2014‏‎]]recommended when good content has been
> reviewed that needs no changes[[Categorie:FIXME/reviewed/2015]]recommended
> when good content has been reviewed that needs no changes
> [[Categorie:FIXME/reviewed/2016‏‎]]recommended when good content has been
> reviewed that needs no changes[[Categorie:FIXME/silentMode]]
> I hope that if we do hire someone to work on the wiki that they leverage
> and start from the current efforts.
>
> Aloha,
> --
> Jim Manico
> Global Board Member
> OWASP Foundation
> https://www.owasp.org
> Join me at AppSecUSA <http://appsecusa.org/> 2015!
>
> On Aug 9, 2015, at 8:38 AM, Noreen Whysel <noreen.whysel at owasp.org> wrote:
>
> I agree with Matt on this. A redirect will preserve the historical context
> of a page which is important even if the content is ultimately deemed
> outdated or no longer needed. At some time a project was created and it was
> important to that team. For whatever reason it died. From an archiving
> perspective, preserving it shows what members of the Foundation were
> working on at a given time. Also, there may be a time in the future, when
> someone wants to revive it or use some of the information and tools
> developed on that project for a new one. It would be a shame to lose that
> work.
>
> Redirects are simple. Add #REDIRECT [[:NewPage]] to the edit field and it
> will redirect to the new page. All the old page history is saved and viewed
> very easily by typing the URL,
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php?title=Old_Page_Title&action=history.
>
> The only time I have ever considered deleting a page was when I created
> one and decided I needed it to have a different page name. Unfortunately
> changing a page name is not allowed.
>
> Noreen Whysel
> Community Manager
> OWASP Foundation
>
> On Aug 8, 2015, at 3:09 PM, Matt Tesauro <matt.tesauro at owasp.org> wrote:
>
> FYI:  My understanding of the general use of Wikis is that deletion is the
> 'nuclear' option and only be used very sparingly.  I tend to use redirects
> rather then deletions so that any inward links find useful content.  I'd
> suggest that as a general strategy over deleting a page since it preserves
> the history of the older page, is easier to do then deletions and can be
> undone in future should needs change.
>
> The last time I did a page deletion was several years ago where there was
> something accidentally posted to the wiki which raised privacy issues for
> the particular country where those members lived.  To be honest, you work
> against the wiki software when you do a deletion quite by design.
>
> For empty or never updated default project pages, I'd simply redirect
> those to the main project page on the wiki.  I think we will do ourselves a
> favor to keep inbound links working even if they redirect to other related
> content.  If someone is coming to the wiki, it is presumably to find some
> content so providing related content via a  redirect is preferable to a
> 'this page has been deleted' or an empty 'edit me' page in my opinion.
>
> HTH.
>
> --
> -- Matt Tesauro
> OWASP WTE Project Lead
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project
> http://AppSecLive.org - Community and Download site
> OWASP OpenStack Security Project Lead
> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_OpenStack_Security_Project
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:56 AM, johanna curiel curiel <
> johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> One of those FIXME is about WebScarab which I do not agree
>>
>> WebScarab is still in use and should not be deleted. I would like to
>> classify that content as 'Low Activity' or Inactive, especially for
>> valuable content projects but not actively maintained.
>>
>> @Noreen: I can create categories but I cannot delete wiki pages that have
>> been created. You must be an admin:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_delete_a_page
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Johanna
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Noreen Whysel <noreen.whysel at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Johanna,
>>>
>>> Have you tried creating a new category? Type
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:new-category-name and see if
>>> it lets you edit the new category page. BTW, the wiki seems to be extremely
>>> slow today.
>>>
>>> Are you able to view the Special Pages for Categories? If not you may
>>> not have a high enough user setting. It doesn't seem that all the
>>> categories are protected pages, but I am not sure.
>>>
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Special:Categories
>>>
>>> There are also category tracking functions built into Mediawiki. None of
>>> the pages appear to be populated, which could just mean there are no pages
>>> using these tags or having the tracked problems.
>>>
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Special:TrackingCategories
>>>
>>> Timo, There is a FIXME category tag for FIXME/delete and another for
>>> candidate for deletion that I believe people had been using to recommend
>>> pages to delete. You can see all the FIXME categories on the Category:FIXME
>>> page. I think Matt Tesauro is the only person who has deletion rights, but
>>> he may know if there are others.
>>>
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:FIXME
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:FIXME/delete
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:CandidateForDeletion
>>>
>>> Noreen Whysel
>>> Community Manager
>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Timo Goosen <timo.goosen at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I had ability to delete useless pages off the wiki, then a
>>>> significant cleanup would be done from my side.
>>>>
>>>> I would also like to hear answers to Johanna's questions.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>> Timo
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:55 PM, johanna curiel curiel <
>>>> johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Board
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding your action to hire a contractor and a technical editor to
>>>>> clean up the wiki
>>>>>
>>>>> As you know many of the pages are indeed project pages
>>>>> I have asked multiple times access to clean up the category section
>>>>> which I do not have access to.But no anwer has been provided clearly on how
>>>>> to do this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will this potential contractor(s) handle content related to wiki pages
>>>>> projects?
>>>>> Have you though about who will manage these actions , since in my
>>>>> opinion,  an external party will not know which content to clean and which
>>>>> not?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to hear your thoughts about this and if you have consider
>>>>> the Project task force team to get involved in this action
>>>>>
>>>>> My biggest concern is that you hire someone that has no idea about the
>>>>> content, So how will this person be able to clean up something properly or
>>>>> not? And to create relevant content?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Johanna
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jim Manico
>>>>>> Global Board Member
>>>>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org
>>>>>> Join me at AppSecUSA <http://appsecusa.org/> 2015!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2015, at 7:09 AM, Matt Konda <matt.konda at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should we aim bigger and make this part of a contract tech writer's
>>>>>> responsibilities?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt Konda
>>>>>> @mkonda
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2015, at 4:32 AM, Fabio Cerullo <fcerullo at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I support the idea on getting some professional help for the wiki.
>>>>>> Maybe we could allocate a small budget to start with?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it possible to come up with a list of pages that need maintenance
>>>>>> based on the Wiki categorisation below?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fabio Cerullo
>>>>>> Global Board Member
>>>>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org
>>>>>> Join me at AppSecUSA 2015 <https://2015.appsecusa.org> in
>>>>>> San Francisco!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4 Aug 2015, at 19:34, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > But, we need a bit more focus. Let's pay a few bucks and just get
>>>>>> some dedicated time on it for awhile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 I think this is an important idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jim Manico
>>>>>> Global Board Member
>>>>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org
>>>>>> Join me at AppSecUSA <http://appsecusa.org/> 2015!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 7:52 AM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All great thing and I'd want to use the systems we have in place for
>>>>>> sure. My comment/idea is that we've tried to do this from a volunteer angle
>>>>>> for many years. Loe their effort and what they've done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, we need a bit more focus. Let's pay a few bucks and just get
>>>>>> some dedicated time on it for awhile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Michael Coates | @_mwc
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=_mwc>
>>>>>> OWASP Global Board
>>>>>> Join me at AppSecUSA <http://appsecusa.org/> 2015 in San Francisco!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Noreen Whysel OWASP <
>>>>>> noreen.whysel at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a category called FIXME that the wiki editing project uses
>>>>>>> to tag content that have errors. I do not know how active that team is at
>>>>>>> the moment but we can use these tags to label pages with errors. It would
>>>>>>> be good to start with labeling tools we already have in place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would actually be happy to run an editathon at AppSecUSA as part
>>>>>>> of my chapter leader workshop. I was hoping to find members of the wiki
>>>>>>> editing team to help out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:FIXME
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Noreen Whysel
>>>>>>> Community Manager
>>>>>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Board,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Added as a board meeting topic (if necessary). Circulating for
>>>>>>> comment via email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try as we might, we just haven't had enough volunteer focus on wiki
>>>>>>> upkeep. Wouldn't it be great to part with a few hundred dollars a month and
>>>>>>> have a wiki that is organized with tagging that indicates "hot content" or
>>>>>>> content that needs updating? That plus normal clean up of dead links,
>>>>>>> duplicate page flagging etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a minuscule amount of funds towards the overall budget and
>>>>>>> would sure help with the delivery of information to the world. Would also
>>>>>>> help with volunteer engagement since they'd know what content needs
>>>>>>> attention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Michael Coates | @_mwc
>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=_mwc>
>>>>>>> OWASP Global Board
>>>>>>> Join me at AppSecUSA <http://appsecusa.org/> 2015 in San Francisco!
>>>>>>>
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