[Owasp-board] For Discussion - Hourly contractor for wiki housekeeping

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Thu Aug 6 18:31:35 UTC 2015


Yup, I just sent. If you need more detail or help on any page or set of 
pages please let me know! And please spread the word to others who are 
interested in this topic or need help...

Aloha,
Jim


On 8/6/15 8:19 AM, johanna curiel curiel wrote:
> Hi Jim
>
> Thanks for clarifying.
> Do we have a process that is clear for everyone ? Like a wiki page of 
> the 'wiki editors' with instructions? ;-)
>
> I think that it was not clear for us the activity of the Wiki editors.
>
> The project inventory needs a huge clean up , especially from those 
> empty wiki project pages ;-)
> When you are so far for the contractor part, let us know so we can 
> specify/label those pages we want delete actions on since we are no 
> admins, although it's a lot of work go one by one editing and 
> labelling information.
>
> Regards
>
> Johanna
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org 
> <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>     Johanna,
>
>     I can help here. If you want yo change that page flag just let me
>     know. You can also join
>     https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-wiki-editors and
>     talk to the editor group about any suggested changes....
>
>     Aloha!
>     --
>     Jim Manico
>     Global Board Member
>     OWASP Foundation
>     https://www.owasp.org <https://www.owasp.org/>
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>
>     On Aug 6, 2015, at 3:56 AM, johanna curiel curiel
>     <johanna.curiel at owasp.org <mailto:johanna.curiel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>>     One of those FIXME is about WebScarab which I do not agree
>>
>>     WebScarab is still in use and should not be deleted. I would like
>>     to classify that content as 'Low Activity' or Inactive,
>>     especially for valuable content projects but not actively maintained.
>>
>>     @Noreen: I can create categories but I cannot delete wiki pages
>>     that have been created. You must be an
>>     admin:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_delete_a_page
>>
>>     Regards
>>
>>     Johanna
>>
>>
>>     On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Noreen Whysel
>>     <noreen.whysel at owasp.org <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         Johanna,
>>
>>         Have you tried creating a new category? Type
>>         https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:new-category-name
>>         and see if it lets you edit the new category page. BTW, the
>>         wiki seems to be extremely slow today.
>>
>>         Are you able to view the Special Pages for Categories? If not
>>         you may not have a high enough user setting. It doesn't seem
>>         that all the categories are protected pages, but I am not sure.
>>
>>         https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Special:Categories
>>
>>         There are also category tracking functions built into
>>         Mediawiki. None of the pages appear to be populated, which
>>         could just mean there are no pages using these tags or having
>>         the tracked problems.
>>
>>         https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Special:TrackingCategories
>>
>>         Timo, There is a FIXME category tag for FIXME/delete and
>>         another for candidate for deletion that I believe people had
>>         been using to recommend pages to delete. You can see all the
>>         FIXME categories on the Category:FIXME page. I think Matt
>>         Tesauro is the only person who has deletion rights, but he
>>         may know if there are others.
>>
>>         https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:FIXME
>>         https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:FIXME/delete
>>         https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:CandidateForDeletion
>>
>>         Noreen Whysel
>>         Community Manager
>>         OWASP Foundation
>>
>>         On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Timo Goosen
>>         <timo.goosen at owasp.org <mailto:timo.goosen at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>             If I had ability to delete useless pages off the wiki,
>>             then a significant cleanup would be done from my side.
>>
>>             I would also like to hear answers to Johanna's questions.
>>
>>             Regards.
>>             Timo
>>
>>             On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:55 PM, johanna curiel curiel
>>             <johanna.curiel at owasp.org
>>             <mailto:johanna.curiel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Hi Board
>>
>>                 Regarding your action to hire a contractor and a
>>                 technical editor to clean up the wiki
>>
>>                 As you know many of the pages are indeed project pages
>>                 I have asked multiple times access to clean up the
>>                 category section which I do not have access to.But no
>>                 anwer has been provided clearly on how to do this.
>>
>>                 Will this potential contractor(s) handle content
>>                 related to wiki pages projects?
>>                 Have you though about who will manage these actions ,
>>                 since in my opinion,  an external party will not know
>>                 which content to clean and which not?
>>
>>                 I would like to hear your thoughts about this and if
>>                 you have consider the Project task force team to get
>>                 involved in this action
>>
>>                 My biggest concern is that you hire someone that has
>>                 no idea about the content, So how will this person be
>>                 able to clean up something properly or not? And to
>>                 create relevant content?
>>
>>                 Regards
>>
>>                 Johanna
>>
>>                 On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Jim Manico
>>                 <jim.manico at owasp.org <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>>
>>                 wrote:
>>
>>                     +1
>>
>>                     --
>>                     Jim Manico
>>                     Global Board Member
>>                     OWASP Foundation
>>                     https://www.owasp.org <https://www.owasp.org/>
>>                     Join me at AppSecUSA <http://appsecusa.org/> 2015!
>>
>>                     On Aug 5, 2015, at 7:09 AM, Matt Konda
>>                     <matt.konda at owasp.org
>>                     <mailto:matt.konda at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>>                     Should we aim bigger and make this part of a
>>>                     contract tech writer's responsibilities?
>>>
>>>                     Matt Konda
>>>                     @mkonda
>>>
>>>                     On Aug 5, 2015, at 4:32 AM, Fabio Cerullo
>>>                     <fcerullo at owasp.org <mailto:fcerullo at owasp.org>>
>>>                     wrote:
>>>
>>>>                     I support the idea on getting some professional
>>>>                     help for the wiki. Maybe we could allocate a
>>>>                     small budget to start with?
>>>>
>>>>                     Is it possible to come up with a list of pages
>>>>                     that need maintenance based on the Wiki
>>>>                     categorisation below?
>>>>
>>>>                     Regards,
>>>>
>>>>                     Fabio Cerullo
>>>>                     Global Board Member
>>>>                     OWASP Foundation
>>>>                     https://www.owasp.org
>>>>                     Join me at AppSecUSA 2015
>>>>                     <https://2015.appsecusa.org> in San Francisco!
>>>>
>>>>>                     On 4 Aug 2015, at 19:34, Jim Manico
>>>>>                     <jim.manico at owasp.org
>>>>>                     <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                     > But, we need a bit more focus. Let's pay a
>>>>>                     few bucks and just get some dedicated time on
>>>>>                     it for awhile.
>>>>>
>>>>>                     +1 I think this is an important idea.
>>>>>
>>>>>                     --
>>>>>                     Jim Manico
>>>>>                     Global Board Member
>>>>>                     OWASP Foundation
>>>>>                     https://www.owasp.org <https://www.owasp.org/>
>>>>>                     Join me at AppSecUSA <http://appsecusa.org/> 2015!
>>>>>
>>>>>                     On Aug 4, 2015, at 7:52 AM, Michael Coates
>>>>>                     <michael.coates at owasp.org
>>>>>                     <mailto:michael.coates at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>                     All great thing and I'd want to use the
>>>>>>                     systems we have in place for sure. My
>>>>>>                     comment/idea is that we've tried to do this
>>>>>>                     from a volunteer angle for many years. Loe
>>>>>>                     their effort and what they've done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     But, we need a bit more focus. Let's pay a
>>>>>>                     few bucks and just get some dedicated time on
>>>>>>                     it for awhile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     --
>>>>>>                     Michael Coates | @_mwc
>>>>>>                     <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=_mwc>
>>>>>>                     OWASP Global Board
>>>>>>                     Join me at AppSecUSA <http://appsecusa.org/>
>>>>>>                     2015 in San Francisco!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Noreen
>>>>>>                     Whysel OWASP <noreen.whysel at owasp.org
>>>>>>                     <mailto:noreen.whysel at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Michael,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         There is a category called FIXME that the
>>>>>>                         wiki editing project uses to tag content
>>>>>>                         that have errors. I do not know how
>>>>>>                         active that team is at the moment but we
>>>>>>                         can use these tags to label pages with
>>>>>>                         errors. It would be good to start with
>>>>>>                         labeling tools we already have in place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         I would actually be happy to run an
>>>>>>                         editathon at AppSecUSA as part of my
>>>>>>                         chapter leader workshop. I was hoping to
>>>>>>                         find members of the wiki editing team to
>>>>>>                         help out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:FIXME
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Noreen Whysel
>>>>>>                         Community Manager
>>>>>>                         OWASP Foundation
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         On Aug 4, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Michael
>>>>>>                         Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org
>>>>>>                         <mailto:michael.coates at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                         Board,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                         Added as a board meeting topic (if
>>>>>>>                         necessary). Circulating for comment via
>>>>>>>                         email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                         Try as we might, we just haven't had
>>>>>>>                         enough volunteer focus on wiki upkeep.
>>>>>>>                         Wouldn't it be great to part with a few
>>>>>>>                         hundred dollars a month and have a wiki
>>>>>>>                         that is organized with tagging that
>>>>>>>                         indicates "hot content" or content that
>>>>>>>                         needs updating? That plus normal clean
>>>>>>>                         up of dead links, duplicate page
>>>>>>>                         flagging etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                         This is a minuscule amount of funds
>>>>>>>                         towards the overall budget and would
>>>>>>>                         sure help with the delivery of
>>>>>>>                         information to the world. Would also
>>>>>>>                         help with volunteer engagement since
>>>>>>>                         they'd know what content needs attention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                         --
>>>>>>>                         Michael Coates | @_mwc
>>>>>>>                         <https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=_mwc>
>>>>>>>                         OWASP Global Board
>>>>>>>                         Join me at AppSecUSA
>>>>>>>                         <http://appsecusa.org/> 2015 in San
>>>>>>>                         Francisco!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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