[Owasp-board] For Discussion - Hourly contractor for wiki housekeeping

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Thu Aug 6 18:09:52 UTC 2015


We can change this to one of a dozen content labels... easily fixed.

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> On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:16 AM, johanna curiel curiel <johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
> 
> >1. What kind of access do you want to clean up the category page? Seems that can be provided. 
> Deletion but is clear only an admin can do that. There are many empty project pages (like +50) we can just wipe
> 
> 2. We have lots of content that is duplicate, incomplete or not updated for years. From a prioritization perspective I think this individual could stay busy on that type of work for a fair amount of time. This work is valuable and doesn't require much context/knowledge to address the problem. 
> 
> @Micheal: has it been identified what content is this? Like I mentioned. the project pages represent  a significant portion of outdated content. I agree there are any 'accidental pages' created that this person will not need prior knowledge, still , how will he know what to delete or not and which duplicate content?
> 
> The FIXME is not a clear indication for the projects because this was done for inactive before the 'inactive' or 'low activity' label was conceptualised. Thats why I think someone should work with this person identifying clearly what to do, delete clean up or not. I think he/she should be familiar with the content or has the guidance of someone who is familiar with it.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org> wrote:
>> A few items in there. 
>> 
>> 1. What kind of access do you want to clean up the category page? Seems that can be provided. 
>> 
>> 2. We have lots of content that is duplicate, incomplete or not updated for years. From a prioritization perspective I think this individual could stay busy on that type of work for a fair amount of time. This work is valuable and doesn't require much context/knowledge to address the problem. 
>> 
>> 3. For project page cleanup activities I'm not sure if that's a good focus for this individual for the reasons you mentioned. If there are things the person could do that could could be easily described then maybe it makes sense. But If lots of context is needed then perhaps it's not the right away for this person (as you also described).
>> 
>> 
>> Overall my goal would be for this individual to focus on area 2 and we can then see how that goes. 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:55 AM, johanna curiel curiel <johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Board
>>> 
>>> Regarding your action to hire a contractor and a technical editor to clean up the wiki
>>> 
>>> As you know many of the pages are indeed project pages
>>> I have asked multiple times access to clean up the category section which I do not have access to.But no anwer has been provided clearly on how to do this.
>>> 
>>> Will this potential contractor(s) handle content related to wiki pages projects?
>>> Have you though about who will manage these actions , since in my opinion,  an external party will not know which content to clean and which not?
>>> 
>>> I would like to hear your thoughts about this and if you have consider the Project task force team to get involved in this action
>>> 
>>> My biggest concern is that you hire someone that has no idea about the content, So how will this person be able to clean up something properly or not? And to create relevant content?
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Johanna
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>> +1
>>>> 
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>>>>> On Aug 5, 2015, at 7:09 AM, Matt Konda <matt.konda at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Should we aim bigger and make this part of a contract tech writer's responsibilities?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt Konda
>>>>> @mkonda
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2015, at 4:32 AM, Fabio Cerullo <fcerullo at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I support the idea on getting some professional help for the wiki. Maybe we could allocate a small budget to start with?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is it possible to come up with a list of pages that need maintenance based on the Wiki categorisation below?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Fabio Cerullo
>>>>>> Global Board Member
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>>>>>>> On 4 Aug 2015, at 19:34, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> > But, we need a bit more focus. Let's pay a few bucks and just get some dedicated time on it for awhile.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> +1 I think this is an important idea.
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 7:52 AM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> All great thing and I'd want to use the systems we have in place for sure. My comment/idea is that we've tried to do this from a volunteer angle for many years. Loe their effort and what they've done.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> But, we need a bit more focus. Let's pay a few bucks and just get some dedicated time on it for awhile.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Noreen Whysel OWASP <noreen.whysel at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> There is a category called FIXME that the wiki editing project uses to tag content that have errors. I do not know how active that team is at the moment but we can use these tags to label pages with errors. It would be good to start with labeling tools we already have in place.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I would actually be happy to run an editathon at AppSecUSA as part of my chapter leader workshop. I was hoping to find members of the wiki editing team to help out.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:FIXME
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Noreen Whysel
>>>>>>>>> Community Manager
>>>>>>>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Board,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Added as a board meeting topic (if necessary). Circulating for comment via email.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Try as we might, we just haven't had enough volunteer focus on wiki upkeep. Wouldn't it be great to part with a few hundred dollars a month and have a wiki that is organized with tagging that indicates "hot content" or content that needs updating? That plus normal clean up of dead links, duplicate page flagging etc.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This is a minuscule amount of funds towards the overall budget and would sure help with the delivery of information to the world. Would also help with volunteer engagement since they'd know what content needs attention.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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