[Owasp-board] Fwd: Public Apology + Strategy
johanna curiel curiel
johanna.curiel at owasp.org
Wed Apr 1 17:09:37 UTC 2015
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From: Amr Thabet <amr.thabet at owasp.org>
Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: Public Apology + Strategy
To: psiinon <psiinon at gmail.com>
Cc: owasp-gsoc-mentors at googlegroups.com, Abraham Aranguren <
abraham.aranguren at owasp.org>
Yes .. I totally agree with you
On Mar 27, 2014 12:05 PM, "psiinon" <psiinon at gmail.com> wrote:
I agree - I made a similar point on another thread.
The rankings are very important, but should not be the only criteria we use.
I agree that all participating projects should get one slot, if they have a
good enough proposal (each project leader should decide this).
After that I think the main factors involved are:
- The ranking everyone gives
- The ranking the project leader gives
- The number of mentors available to mentor each project
- How active the project is
- How well it can cope with an influx of contributors
- The importance to OWASP (ie what does OWASP as an org want to get out
Personally I dont think it would be sensible for one project to take all of
the slots after the 'one/project' slots are taken, even if that project was
I would also advise project leaders _not_ to take on students that they
dont think will have a good chance of being successful - a poor student who
needs a lot of mentoring could actually damage your project, either with
their poor code or with the mentors time that they essentially waste.
We need some balance, but thats difficult for us project leaders to decide
Not quite sure how we should handle this, but my suggestion is that we see
what projects _would_ be selected if we just went by overall ranking, then
start arguing our cases.
The final decision(s) should be made by individuals who dont have projects
that will end up with slots.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Amr Thabet <amr.thabet at owasp.org> wrote:
> For me .. I see the way to choose the proposals/slots and the ranking
> mechanism is wrong.
> It doesn't give a chance for every project and creates a competition
> between the mentors in the same organization
> Also, if some mentors doesn't understand your project .. they will rank
> your proposals to 1 even the proposal is the best .. because they simply
> don't understand your project.
> Another point, some projects takes many slots because of many mentors to
> rank (or they decrease the others with rank 1, some of them not all) and
> others takes 0 slots .. which is not fair .. even if they take many good
> Simply what I want to say, proposals ranking is dependent on the project
> and who only understand the project ... and it's not fair to make anyone
> rank it because it will not be fair mostly
> With these reasons, I stopped joining owasp gsoc mentors
> That's my point of view
> On Mar 26, 2014 5:48 PM, "Abraham Aranguren" <abraham.aranguren at owasp.org>
>> Hi folks,
>> As per my private comments, I'd like to apologise once again -because
>> it's never enough! ;)- here:
>> I would like to publicly apologise to: Johanna, Colm, Simon and every
>> other OWASP mentor who might have been offended by my previous comments,
>> I was too stressed and did not watch my language, please ignore those
>> comments and please forgive me.
>> When I see someone down-ranking one of our top guys with a "1", I hope
>> you understand that I am a bit upset (please only use "1" or "2" for
>> "spammy" or "very weak" proposals respectively), whoever you are, you
>> are fighting the wrong fight, look @ my strategy below, let's fight
>> together not against each other please!
>> re Strategy:
>> Google allocates 1 slot for every 2 mentors. Given that we have 88
>> proposals, *mentors* is our next cap for slots, our limit is *44* slots if
>> we had 88 OWASP mentors registered (44!!!). I am told we have 50 mentors
>> registered, keep them coming! (that is 25 slots!)
>> If you are a project leader this year, I would like to encourage you to
>> focus on getting more mentors (constructive) instead of down-ranking
>> good proposals from the "competition" (destructive), so that you cover
>> the MAX slots you could possibly handle in your project. This will
>> ensure all OWASP projects have a chance!
>> What I have done about it:
>> OWTF has 30 confirmed mentors so far, this means that, OWTF has
>> *created* 15 OWASP slots, which is 7 *more* than the MAX OWTF could
>> possibly handle (8, and we are not sure about 1 of those yet :P).
>> In other words: OWTF has created 7 slots for *other* OWASP projects.
>> I have killed myself to achieve this, and I hope OWTF is not viewed as:
>> "the nasty OWASP project that takes all slots and leaves other OWASP
>> projects with nothing"
>> but as:
>> "the OWASP project that worked hard to generously create slots for
>> *other* OWASP projects, in addition to covering its own MAX slots
>> We took 5 out of 11 OWASP slots last year (1 student was lost in the
>> de-dup process later), this kicked other OWASP projects out of "slot
>> range" and I understand some OWASP mentors might view us as a threat
>> this year because of that.
>> Now please, this year is different, we are creating slots for
>> *ourselves* + *other* OWASP projects
>> All OWASP projects deserve a chance, but all GSoC candidates that fought
>> their proposals with passion deserve a chance too, with enough slots,
>> all OWASP projects AND amazing GSoC candidates can be happy, please fight
>> right fight and get more mentors for your project.
>> Thank you everybody,
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