[Owasp-board] Fwd: OWASP Training Model - Request to vote

Tobias tobias.gondrom at owasp.org
Mon Mar 3 12:55:47 UTC 2014


Fabio,
thank you, I absolutely appreciate raising the topic for a quick talk.
Cheers, Tobias


On 03/03/14 11:42, Fabio Cerullo wrote:
> Tobias,
>
> Sounds good to me... only wanted to have the blessing from the Global
> Board.
>
> If everyone believes there is no need for a vote, I will follow up
> with the Ops team.
>
> @Sarah, could you please let me know your thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks
> Fabio
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org
> <mailto:tobias.gondrom at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Fabio,
>
>     like the idea, but I fail to see why the board needs to vote on this.
>     It does not change the currently existing training model and is
>     merely an conveniently added option to the existing contract.
>     I would see this in the capable hands of our ops team and their
>     advise.
>     Have you talked with them about this yet?
>
>     Best regards, Tobias
>
>
>
>
>     On 03/03/14 09:43, Fabio Cerullo wrote:
>>     hi there,
>>
>>     I would like to include this topic for voting today.
>>
>>     Although donating training funds is possible, and some of you are
>>     already doing it, the fact to have it in writing as an optional
>>     item in the contract makes it visible to ALL potential trainers
>>     in the future.
>>
>>     Any questions, please let me know.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>     Fabio
>>
>>     ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>     From: *Fabio Cerullo* <fcerullo at owasp.org
>>     <mailto:fcerullo at owasp.org>>
>>     Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:53 PM
>>     Subject: OWASP Training Model - Community Vote Results
>>     To: "owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org
>>     <mailto:owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org>"
>>     <owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org
>>     <mailto:owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org>>
>>
>>
>>     Hi there,
>>
>>     You could find below the poll results of the proposed changes to
>>     the OWASP Training Contract.
>>
>>     https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/spreadsheets/d/1oDmVQKlFQIvnfXJOnUaEG7UB5aQ_QpYbZDnA1AHZAns/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>     Based on these results, I will propose a few changes to the
>>     wording of the contract at the upcoming Global Board meeting.
>>
>>     - Include an optional checkbox at the bottom of the contract that
>>     states "I hereby donate my proceedings to the OWASP Foundation
>>     and/or OWASP project of choice."
>>     - Include an optional checkbox at the bottom of the contract that
>>     states "I only want to receive travel expenses as sole
>>     compensation for delivering this training. The reimbursement
>>     limit is USD XXX (US American dollars) as stipulated and agreed
>>     with the OWASP Foundation"
>>
>>     I'm looking forward to your feedback.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>
>>     Fabio
>>
>>     On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Jerry Hoff <jerry at owasp.org
>>     <mailto:jerry at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi team,
>>
>>         For the upcoming training at AppSec APAC, I simply asked
>>         Laura if my proceeds could be donated directly to the Tokyo
>>         OWASP chapter who is hosting the event, minus the printing of
>>         the books.  This was not done strictly out of altruism, I
>>         wasn't comfortable writing in my SSN in on a word document
>>         and sending it over email.
>>
>>         I think we should be good to go on this one - Laura took care
>>         if it easily (thank you Laura) - anyone can do this as of
>>         now! :) 
>>
>>         Grazie,
>>         Jerry
>>
>>
>>         --
>>         Jerry Hoff
>>         @jerryhoff
>>         jerry at owasp.org <mailto:jerry at owasp.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Feb 19, 2014, at 1:08 PM, Fabio Cerullo
>>         <fcerullo at owasp.org <mailto:fcerullo at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>>         Eoin,
>>>
>>>         We are not trying to make significant changes here... only
>>>         remove the burden of debit/credit transactions from trainer
>>>         to OWASP.
>>>
>>>         By placing a checkbox in the contract, any trainer who is
>>>         willing to donate the earnings to OWASP could do so by just
>>>         opting-in. Then the transaction becomes transparent and
>>>         there is no debit/credit involved - 100% funds go directly
>>>         to the OWASP Foundation or project of choice. I'm sure
>>>         Alison will appreciate knowing this beforehand.
>>>
>>>         A different topic altogether is the request from OWASP
>>>         trainers to deliver training absolutely free. I'm aware at
>>>         least Jim and Simon are willing to deliver trainings at no
>>>         cost during major OWASP conferences and they found some
>>>         friction.
>>>
>>>         The survey is just a pulse from the OWASP community, no
>>>         guarantees anything will change but when there is a will
>>>         things usually happen.
>>>
>>>         Regards
>>>         Fabio
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Eoin Keary
>>>         <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Currently there is nothing stopping trainers delivering
>>>             classes for free. Jim and myself have been doing this
>>>             since 2012. We are doing it next week in San Francisco.
>>>             We have both partially self funded the trip.
>>>
>>>             If a trainer wants to charge and donate 100% of the fees
>>>             to owasp there is nothing to stop this also.
>>>             The 60/40 is a default setting. It encourages high
>>>             quality training and trainers but also generate revenue
>>>             for the foundation.
>>>
>>>             So what happens after the result of this vote? Do
>>>             anything really change given all scenarios are optional.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Eoin Keary
>>>             Owasp Global Board
>>>             +353 87 977 2988 <tel:%2B353%2087%20977%202988>
>>>
>>>
>>>             On 19 Feb 2014, at 14:25, Fabio Cerullo
>>>             <fcerullo at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>             Dear all,
>>>>
>>>>             As per the current OWASP Training Model (see
>>>>             https://www.owasp.org/index.php/File:Training_Instructor_Agreement.doc),
>>>>             the payment schedule for OWASP major conferences is
>>>>             established as a 60/40% split between OWASP/Trainer. 
>>>>
>>>>             Also, the travel expenses are currently covered by the
>>>>             trainer. It has been proposed a different payment
>>>>             schedule in which trainings are offered for free or to
>>>>             only cover the expenses for the trainer and all
>>>>             proceedings going to the OWASP Foundation and/or a
>>>>             particular project. 
>>>>
>>>>             For full details about the various proposals discussed
>>>>             at the OWASP Leaders mailing list, please visit:
>>>>             http://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2014-February/010869.html
>>>>
>>>>             Could you please cast your vote in the following link
>>>>             to answer the question:
>>>>
>>>>             Should OWASP allow other options in addition to the
>>>>             current training model?
>>>>
>>>>             https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/forms/d/1OMmIHFLm6fouHwfSLB9sA7lCwvqtB4hdE8cnUFZ4meo/viewform
>>>>
>>>>             Lines are open for the next 72 hours (until Saturday
>>>>             22rd February at 00:00GMT). After that time, votes will
>>>>             be counted and results announced.
>>>>
>>>>             Make your voice count! 
>>>>
>>>>             Regards,
>>>>             Fabio
>>>>
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>>>
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>>
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