[Owasp-board] Fwd: OWASP Training Model - Request to vote

Fabio Cerullo fcerullo at owasp.org
Mon Mar 3 11:42:49 UTC 2014


Tobias,

Sounds good to me... only wanted to have the blessing from the Global Board.

If everyone believes there is no need for a vote, I will follow up with the
Ops team.

@Sarah, could you please let me know your thoughts on this?

Thanks
Fabio


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org> wrote:

>  Hi Fabio,
>
> like the idea, but I fail to see why the board needs to vote on this.
> It does not change the currently existing training model and is merely an
> conveniently added option to the existing contract.
> I would see this in the capable hands of our ops team and their advise.
> Have you talked with them about this yet?
>
> Best regards, Tobias
>
>
>
>
> On 03/03/14 09:43, Fabio Cerullo wrote:
>
> hi there,
>
>  I would like to include this topic for voting today.
>
>  Although donating training funds is possible, and some of you are
> already doing it, the fact to have it in writing as an optional item in the
> contract makes it visible to ALL potential trainers in the future.
>
>  Any questions, please let me know.
>
>  Thanks,
> Fabio
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Fabio Cerullo <fcerullo at owasp.org>
> Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:53 PM
> Subject: OWASP Training Model - Community Vote Results
> To: "owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org" <owasp-leaders at lists.owasp.org>
>
>
> Hi there,
>
>  You could find below the poll results of the proposed changes to the
> OWASP Training Contract.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/spreadsheets/d/1oDmVQKlFQIvnfXJOnUaEG7UB5aQ_QpYbZDnA1AHZAns/edit?usp=sharing
>
>  Based on these results, I will propose a few changes to the wording of
> the contract at the upcoming Global Board meeting.
>
>  - Include an optional checkbox at the bottom of the contract that states
> "I hereby donate my proceedings to the OWASP Foundation and/or OWASP
> project of choice."
>  - Include an optional checkbox at the bottom of the contract that states
> "I only want to receive travel expenses as sole compensation for delivering
> this training. The reimbursement limit is USD XXX (US American dollars) as
> stipulated and agreed with the OWASP Foundation"
>
>  I'm looking forward to your feedback.
>
>  Thanks,
>
> Fabio
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Jerry Hoff <jerry at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>>  Hi team,
>>
>>  For the upcoming training at AppSec APAC, I simply asked Laura if my
>> proceeds could be donated directly to the Tokyo OWASP chapter who is
>> hosting the event, minus the printing of the books.  This was not done
>> strictly out of altruism, I wasn't comfortable writing in my SSN in on a
>> word document and sending it over email.
>>
>>  I think we should be good to go on this one - Laura took care if it
>> easily (thank you Laura) - anyone can do this as of now! :)
>>
>>  Grazie,
>> Jerry
>>
>>
>>  --
>> Jerry Hoff
>> @jerryhoff
>> jerry at owasp.org
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Feb 19, 2014, at 1:08 PM, Fabio Cerullo <fcerullo at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>  Eoin,
>>
>>  We are not trying to make significant changes here... only remove the
>> burden of debit/credit transactions from trainer to OWASP.
>>
>>  By placing a checkbox in the contract, any trainer who is willing to
>> donate the earnings to OWASP could do so by just opting-in. Then the
>> transaction becomes transparent and there is no debit/credit involved -
>> 100% funds go directly to the OWASP Foundation or project of choice. I'm
>> sure Alison will appreciate knowing this beforehand.
>>
>>  A different topic altogether is the request from OWASP trainers to
>> deliver training absolutely free. I'm aware at least Jim and Simon are
>> willing to deliver trainings at no cost during major OWASP conferences and
>> they found some friction.
>>
>>  The survey is just a pulse from the OWASP community, no guarantees
>> anything will change but when there is a will things usually happen.
>>
>>  Regards
>> Fabio
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Eoin Keary <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>>  Currently there is nothing stopping trainers delivering classes for
>>> free. Jim and myself have been doing this since 2012. We are doing it next
>>> week in San Francisco. We have both partially self funded the trip.
>>>
>>>  If a trainer wants to charge and donate 100% of the fees to owasp
>>> there is nothing to stop this also.
>>> The 60/40 is a default setting. It encourages high quality training and
>>> trainers but also generate revenue for the foundation.
>>>
>>>  So what happens after the result of this vote? Do anything really
>>> change given all scenarios are optional.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eoin Keary
>>> Owasp Global Board
>>> +353 87 977 2988 <%2B353%2087%20977%202988>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 Feb 2014, at 14:25, Fabio Cerullo <fcerullo at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Dear all,
>>>
>>>  As per the current OWASP Training Model (see
>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/File:Training_Instructor_Agreement.doc),
>>> the payment schedule for OWASP major conferences is established as a 60/40%
>>> split between OWASP/Trainer.
>>>
>>>  Also, the travel expenses are currently covered by the trainer. It has
>>> been proposed a different payment schedule in which trainings are offered
>>> for free or to only cover the expenses for the trainer and all proceedings
>>> going to the OWASP Foundation and/or a particular project.
>>>
>>>  For full details about the various proposals discussed at the OWASP
>>> Leaders mailing list, please visit:
>>> http://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2014-February/010869.html
>>>
>>>  Could you please cast your vote in the following link to answer the
>>> question:
>>>
>>>  Should OWASP allow other options in addition to the current training
>>> model?
>>>
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/forms/d/1OMmIHFLm6fouHwfSLB9sA7lCwvqtB4hdE8cnUFZ4meo/viewform
>>>
>>>  Lines are open for the next 72 hours (until Saturday 22rd February at
>>> 00:00GMT). After that time, votes will be counted and results announced.
>>>
>>>  Make your voice count!
>>>
>>>  Regards,
>>> Fabio
>>>
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