[Owasp-board] OWASP board intro pres - the 15min talk tomorrow

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Wed Jun 25 13:55:48 UTC 2014


Josh,

I think your concern is 100% right on and I appreciate you pushing this 
thread.

You're one of my favorite and thorough "speech and debaters" and to get 
an email like this from you means a lot to me.

Aloha,
Jim


On 6/25/14, 2:48 PM, Josh Sokol wrote:
> Alright, I wasn't there and it sounds like it was handled better than 
> what I've seen in the past.  Maybe the "pitch" has evolved since I 
> last saw it in AppSecUSA in Washington, DC.  Kudos.
>
> For what it's worth, I think that you're right about not engaging the 
> community being the real Ivory Tower.  It's all about perception which 
> means that how you represent yourself is crucial.  If you go up there 
> and act as a cheerleader for everyone else (which it sounds like you 
> did), then hopefully that translates into "we're here to support you" 
> which is how it should be.
>
> ~josh
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org 
> <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>     Josh,
>
>     With respect, this is the opposite of the ivory tower. We
>     literally said "the real work of OWASP is done by the staff and
>     volunteer community". This was not a board celebration, but a
>     thank you to those who really make OWASP happen. I am sorry if you
>     past experiences upset you, but the way Tobias represented OWASP
>     the staff and giving thanks to the community is part of the job of
>     the OWASP board. We also made ourselves available to new members
>     of the community.
>
>     I think hiding behind email, engaging in private board
>     communication and NOT engaging the community face-to-face is the
>     *real* ivory tower.
>
>     - Jim
>
>
>     On 6/25/14, 2:15 PM, Josh Sokol wrote:
>>     I agree that it is far from urgent.  My observation really had
>>     nothing to do with this conference, but it's something that I've
>>     personally felt since well before I was on the Board.  These
>>     types of things are what isolates the Board from other volunteers
>>     and perpetuates the "Ivory Tower" perception.
>>
>>     ~josh
>>
>>
>>     On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Jim Manico
>>     <jim.manico at owasp.org <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         Tobias,
>>
>>         This is far from urgent. :)
>>
>>         Aloha from AppSecEU!
>>
>>         I'll be at the conference today with Eoin and Justin Clarke
>>         at 6am to help set up the registration tables. Drop by if you
>>         are around to say hello.
>>
>>         Thanks for all your hard work, Tobias. I'm sorry you had to
>>         waste time on this email thread, we have much bigger "fish to
>>         fry".
>>
>>         Aloha,
>>         --
>>         Jim Manico
>>         @Manicode
>>         (808) 652-3805 <tel:%28808%29%20652-3805>
>>
>>         On Jun 24, 2014, at 9:05 PM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org
>>         <mailto:tobias.gondrom at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>>         Ok guys,
>>>
>>>         I think you are totally misunderstanding the simple purpose
>>>         of this 15min intro talk.
>>>
>>>         Before I reply: as member of the org team for AppSecEU, I
>>>         still have a lot of work to get done for tomorrow and am a
>>>         bit confused at why people are making such a fuss about this
>>>         on the day before the conference. Anyway before your
>>>         discussion seems to spin out of control here some facts
>>>         about what is going to happen.
>>>
>>>         *This is just a simple 15 min intro pres about what OWASP is
>>>         for the conference attendees. **
>>>         *
>>>         As there seems to be a lot of misconceptions flying round
>>>         what this is:
>>>         - 15 minutes talk at the opening of the conference, intro
>>>         about what is OWASP
>>>         - give brief intro to OWASP (members, stats, inspire for the
>>>         conference, sponsors for the conference...)
>>>         - mention the board and staff members who are present
>>>         - wish everybody a great conference time.
>>>         - End of presentation.
>>>         - Naturally if you want to stand next to Eoin and me on
>>>         stage, please just show up on time and be there. (my plan
>>>         was to just point out people, but if you feel better
>>>         standing on stage works for me, too...)
>>>
>>>         And up to today, the day before the conference, nobody of
>>>         you asked or cared about this presentation in Cambridge. As
>>>         I am part of the organising team on the ground for London, I
>>>         accepted that responsibility months ago and did my duty to
>>>         do the leg work to arrange the slot and prepare the slides etc.
>>>
>>>         As you have seen, Eoin asked today to join the presentation
>>>         and naturally I am more than happy to include him and anyone
>>>         else from the board who wants to join. Just show up on time.
>>>
>>>         Unfortunately, I still need to get work done for our
>>>         conference tomorrow, so this is my last email on this topic
>>>         for today. If you are having an urgent problem with the
>>>         content, please give me a call on my mobile.
>>>
>>>         Best regards, Tobias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 24/06/14 20:22, Jim Manico wrote:
>>>>         Agreed, Tom.
>>>>
>>>>         I'd like to see the entire board up front instead of just
>>>>         one member. Recent trends are to have one member give "the
>>>>         talk" which I do not think is best for us. Together we stand...
>>>>
>>>>         If we must only have only one board member on stage, then
>>>>         please share that award. It's definitely an award. Tobias
>>>>         had the chance to give "the talk" in Japan and I'd like to
>>>>         see someone else do it for the EU conference, or better
>>>>         yet, let's all be on stage together.
>>>>
>>>>         Respectfully,
>>>>         Jim
>>>>
>>>>         On 6/24/14, 4:51 PM, Tom Brennan - OWASP wrote:
>>>>>         All board members in attendance are always welcomed and
>>>>>         encouraged to delivery the welcome as a group as we always
>>>>>         have. It should also include the staff on stage as well as
>>>>>         core local organizers in attendance as well to raise
>>>>>         visibility, support for the hard work of the local team
>>>>>         that did the heavy lifting.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Board meeting should be held before AppSec events so that
>>>>>         the most current data can be relayed to those in
>>>>>         attendance and the board is actually in sync for anything
>>>>>         presented on stage recapping the "since last year we
>>>>>         accomplished together"
>>>>>
>>>>>         Tom Brennan
>>>>>         973-202-0122 <tel:973-202-0122>
>>>>>
>>>>>         On Jun 24, 2014, at 11:39 AM, Michael Coates
>>>>>         <michael.coates at owasp.org
>>>>>         <mailto:michael.coates at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>         Yes. I'll be at appsecusa and happy to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On Jun 24, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Tobias
>>>>>>         <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org
>>>>>>         <mailto:tobias.gondrom at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         On 24/06/14 16:34, Eoin Keary wrote:
>>>>>>>>         Who is doing the board presentation?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         Eoin Keary
>>>>>>>>         Owasp Global Board
>>>>>>>>         +353 87 977 2988  <tel:%2B353%2087%20977%202988>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>         You mean for AppSecEU in Cambridge?
>>>>>>>         That would be me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         For AppSecUS? I would assume Michael?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         Best regards, Tobias
>>>>>>>
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