[Owasp-board] Fwd: Reinstate my OWASP membership

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Thu Jan 9 23:45:07 UTC 2014


Christian,

I disclosed that I was recording you during the call and deleted all
files of the recording after you requested that I do so. I am not
threatening you in any way, only suggesting that Josh is on the right path.

- Jim

> Jim,
> 
> You didn't seek my permission to record me and then you threatened to
> publish this Skype Call which is entrapment.
> 
> This was in response to Sarah Baso's refusal to allow me to present at
> OWASP China which demonstrates the OWASP Board ulterior motive that it
> does not wish to make amends.
> 
> I have already demonstrated that I can harm OWASP without being a
> member as per my recent posting on the OWASP Top Ten Mailing List.
> 
> I would welcome the OWASP Board to *not* reinstate my OWASP Membership
> so I have another artifact to take back the wider security community
> that their public image and internal bias politics are two different
> organisations.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Christian,
>>
>> You told me via Skype that you were intentionally trying to harm and
>> disrupt OWASP. I am sure you will deny this and I may have misunderstood
>> the intent of your statement.
>>
>> But for certain I think an inquiry is in order. The board needs to vote
>> your membership back in, per my understanding. I feel Josh is objective
>> and I will take his advice seriously. I know I am not at this point.
>>
>> Aloha,
>> Jim
>>
>>> Josh,
>>>
>>> I did not ask for to attract the attention of a temporary committee or
>>> for you to "solicit other members of our leadership" and draw further
>>> negative attention towards me.
>>>
>>> I haven't been a member since 9 January 2012 so how is my behaviour in
>>> scope now?  Neither was this a condition of termination.
>>>
>>> For the record, when I have strictly adhered to the OWASP Board
>>> demands they have continued to show me disrespect and indicate that I
>>> am not welcome to rejoin the community i.e.
>>> http://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-pci-project/2011-November/000225.html
>>>
>>> Of note is that Eoin wasn't suspended for his intolerable behaviour
>>> with his false accusation that I am "empty vessels trying to take
>>> advantage" of OWASP i.e.
>>> https://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2010-July/003295.html
>>> which was proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be completely false and
>>> therefore smear and neither was Tom Brennan for refusing to release
>>> the "open" content of the OWASP PCI Project, which was simply
>>> promotion for WhiteHat and now Trustwave.
>>>
>>> The termination action has concluded as of 9 January and the OWASP
>>> Board is to reinstate my membership today (which is now the 10 January
>>> and therefore a day late).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:16 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>> While I agree that it is a rather sensitive matter, it seems that much of
>>>> what we would be discussing took place over public mailing lists so most of
>>>> this is already out in the open.  And as long as Christian does not object
>>>> to it, I think we need to be as transparent throughout this process as
>>>> possible and not hide in the shadows of sensitivity.  Not following the "O"
>>>> in "OWASP" has bit us many times in the past and in a situation like this
>>>> where claims have been made around character assassination, I feel quite
>>>> strongly that all of these discussions should take place on record.
>>>>
>>>> Also, our intent here should not be to judge Christian for past
>>>> transgressions for which he has already served a considerable amount of
>>>> time.  That chapter needs to be laid to rest.  His membership was revoked on
>>>> 1/9/2012 and we need to evaluate his conduct since that time and his desire
>>>> and ability to positively participate in the OWASP community once again.
>>>>
>>>> Provided that the Board approves my proposal for a temporary committee on
>>>> this matter, I will solicit other members of our leadership to participate
>>>> as well.  These would be individuals agreed upon as "unbiased" by both
>>>> Christian and the Board.  Christian was a well-respected and contributing
>>>> member of our community before this occurred and we should at least be
>>>> ensuring that his concerns are being heard.
>>>>
>>>> ~josh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh and board colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am happy to support you on this. Though I would like for you to take the
>>>>> lead on this with me assisting, as I have only so many cycles and already
>>>>> quite a bit on my plate at this moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> One note: this is a sensitive matter and touches personal information of
>>>>> individuals. Out of respect for all people involved, we should not discuss
>>>>> personal details on a public mailing-list (aka the board mailing-list).
>>>>>
>>>>> Tobias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/01/14 17:26, Josh Sokol wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparenlty there's something weird going on with the mailing list so I'm
>>>>> adding Fabio as well.  He was left off of Christian's initial e-mail.  Not
>>>>> sure if he's ever had any contact with this situation or if he'd want to
>>>>> participate, but he may be a good person on the proposed committee as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>> Date: Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:16 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Reinstate my OWASP membership
>>>>> To: Christian Heinrich <christian.heinrich at cmlh.id.au>
>>>>> Cc: Sarah Baso <sarah.baso at owasp.org>, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>,
>>>>> OWASP Foundation Board List <owasp-board at lists.owasp.org>, Kate Hartmann
>>>>> <kate.hartmann at owasp.org>, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>, Tom
>>>>> Brennan <tomb at owasp.org>, Eoin Keary <eoin.keary at owasp.org>, Tobias Gondrom
>>>>> <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Board,
>>>>>
>>>>> I realize that this is a sensitive topic and one that has caused much
>>>>> controversy in the past.  Since much has changed since then, I would very
>>>>> much like to consider Christian's request to once again participate in the
>>>>> OWASP community.  That said, it seems that a number of Board members may
>>>>> have biases here that would likely affect their voting on this matter.  As
>>>>> such, I would like to propose a temporary committee lead by myself and
>>>>> Tobias based on our lack of biases on this matter with participation from
>>>>> Sarah, as Executive Director, to evaluate Christian's request.  The goal of
>>>>> this would not be to pass judgement on any past transgressions for which he
>>>>> has already served his time, but rather, to evaluate any actions after the
>>>>> vote of revocation and work with Christian to determine whether he feels
>>>>> that he is willing and able to move on from this and be productive within
>>>>> the OWASP Foundation.  I realize that this is a rather unusual request, but
>>>>> given the passions that have flared from both sides, this seems like the
>>>>> best path toward resolution.  Thank you for your consideration.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Christian Heinrich
>>>>> <christian.heinrich at cmlh.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sarah,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is 9 January 2014 which is two years to the day
>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/January_9,_2012 which I believe has
>>>>>> been proven beyond a reasonable doubt actioned without due process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you please reinstate my @owasp.org e-mail address and associated
>>>>>> Honorary Membership today?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Christian Heinrich
>>>>>> <christian.heinrich at cmlh.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sarah,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Sarah Baso <sarah.baso at owasp.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have no further comments or response on this matter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The statement above indicates that the termination action voted on by
>>>>>>> the OWASP Board was retrospectively applied due to their bias and
>>>>>>> without due process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nevertheless, with two years from
>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/January_9,_2012 approaching in
>>>>>>> approximately one month can you please instruct the appropriate
>>>>>>> contact(s) within the OWASP Foundation to have my @owasp.org e-mail
>>>>>>> address and associated Honorary Membership fully restored by 9 January
>>>>>>> 2014 please?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Christian Heinrich
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://cmlh.id.au/contact
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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