[Owasp-board] Dennis's position regarding RSA

Eoin Keary eoin.keary at owasp.org
Wed Jan 8 13:27:10 UTC 2014


Agreed, it is hard to know what the correct course of action is and there is little room for error.

We also need to mature a little as an organisation and understand that there is seldom a "black or white" situation.






Eoin Keary
Owasp Global Board
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On 8 Jan 2014, at 12:45, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org> wrote:

> To all
> 
> I am deeply divided by this issue. And, I am also forced to think about the future of OWASP the organization as well as the community. So I apologize if I seem to be changing position.
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> I to am disappointed by the allegations against RSA, but currently not enough information is known to hold informed judgment. However the NSA is hurting everyone, and I have to wonder if RSA even had a choice given the situation with Quest communications.
> 
> A simple statement of our position on cryptography will suffice until we have a better understanding of the situation.  We must not be neutral regarding security lest we loose our credibility and trust.
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> Additionally, Partnerships are very important to OWASP, and we need to tread carefully or we will be forced to walk alone in areas we simply can not afford to be competitive.
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> I believe that if we made a promise we need to keep that promise, to RSA who invested in us, and to the people who invested in this in order to learn to write secure code.
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> I think OWASP should revisit this issue regularly to see if it is still in our best interest to continue the relationship with RSA after the training.
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> Cheers,
> 
> Dennis
> 
> Sent from my mobile device, apologies for the brevity and spelling errors.
> 
> On Jan 8, 2014 1:35 AM, "Jim Manico" <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>> The mythopoetical depiction of justice throughout history is an interesting study. The Roman depiction of Lady Justice is blindfolded. The Goddess Maat and Isis were depicted with balanced scales during Egyptian times. Lady Justice is also depicted with scales and sword as well as being blindfolded.
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>> The point is that justice should be applied evenly, without regard to who the punished is, to be dispensed evenly to all, with the same kind of punishment.
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>> Make no mistake, the public pull-out of our marketing co-agreement with RSA is a punishment that is harmful to the RSA brand.
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>> What I feel we have done is enact “justice” through “the anger of the masses” on an issue where the information is still being sorted out and, ahem, *many* more are guilty of similar “sins” if not worse.
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>> If we are to walk away from RSA, then we also need to give back or walk away from our Department of Homeland Security grants. To “slap” one while taking money from another I think is inconsistent wide-open targeted justice that will hurt more than help us in the end. This is not blind justice. I am NOT SAYING that RSA is innocent, in fact I am quite angry at what RSA is alleged to have done. I am saying that many more are guilty and we are not applying fair and consistent rules. We might also be acting “too soon” before all the facts are on the table.
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>> I am deeply in conflict of interest here because I am supposed to deliver this training and I’m also a professional trainer. But I wanted to state my nuanced position here that we should continue down the current path and decide in the future to cancel this agreement and other agreements once the facts are sorted out.
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>> And last, we are supposed to be vendor-neutral. I am starting to question the entire commercial conference partnership program. https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_AppSec_Conference We might want to cancel conference partnerships with any commercial conference due to the vendor neutrality rules in our bylaws.
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>> Thanks for your consideration over this matter. It’s not an easy one.
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>> Aloha,
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>> Jim Manico
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>> OWASP Board Member
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