[Owasp-board] Fwd: OWASP Board decision that I don't agree with

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Sat Jan 4 23:15:32 UTC 2014


Think of it this way. OWASP is being asked by RSA to do an "association
event" which they offer to several other associations the day before RSA.

Eoin, Michale and myself have agreed as individuals to do this, but we
are indeed representing OWASP.

- Jim

> Eoin,
> to be clear on a few details:
> - to my attention there was a short exchange of about 12 emails (some
> off and some on the board mailing-list).
> - there was no vote and no agreement recorded in favour of OWASP as an
> org doing this.
> - in fact, in the email exchange (unfortunately offlist, following
> someone else move the thread offlist), I clearly stated my understanding
> was that Jim and Eoin are making the decision to go to RSA as
> individuals. (my email was on Dec-29). And that therefore it was their
> decision whether they want to go there or not. And I can not recall that
> this was contradicted at any time.
> Best regards, Tobias
> Ps.: The branding of the material is not relevant for this. In principle
> all OWASP material can be used freely by anybody. That does not imply
> that our organisation as a whole does sanction or support any specific
> company.
> E.g. anyone can use the OWASP Top-10 presentation (with the OWASP
> branding) and present it at RSA or the next NSA conference for that matter.
> On 04/01/14 18:10, Eoin Keary wrote:
>> Sorry tobias,
>> But we are delivering the training as OWASP.
>> OWASP was approached by RSA.
>> Our material is non commercial branded and branded with OWASP, donated
>> by Jim and Myself.
>> There was no vote but a debate started by myself which landed firmly
>> in favour of going ahead with it.
>> Eoin Keary
>> Owasp Global Board
>> +353 87 977 2988
>> On 4 Jan 2014, at 17:53, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org
>> <mailto:tobias.gondrom at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>> No. There was no vote.
>>> And to be clear, my understanding was that everyone would be
>>> attending as individuals and not as representatives of the board or
>>> OWASP.
>>> I am not quite sure how this perception came about. But we may have
>>> to take clarifying action.
>>> If other board members would concur, I would propose to make a simple
>>> statement that OWASP leaders and members speaking at the RSA
>>> conference do so as individuals and not in their function as
>>> representatives of OWASP.
>>> Best regards, Tobias
>>> OWASP Global Board Member and Secretary of the Board
>>> On 04/01/14 17:39, Tom Brennan - OWASP wrote:
>>>> There was a vote ?
>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Eoin Keary <eoin.keary at owasp.org
>>>> <mailto:eoin.keary at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>>> Many negative tweets re RSA an OWASP. (below).
>>>>> As I brought this up already, are we sure we are making the right
>>>>> decision by pushing forward with this?
>>>>> Eoin Keary
>>>>> Owasp Global Board
>>>>> +353 87 977 2988
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>> *From:* Sastry Tumuluri <sastry.tumuluri at owasp.org
>>>>>> <mailto:sastry.tumuluri at owasp.org>>
>>>>>> *Date:* 4 January 2014 16:48:50 GMT
>>>>>> *To:* "Kanwal Singh (WebMentors)" <kanwalsb at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:kanwalsb at gmail.com>>, Ravdeep Sodhi
>>>>>> <ravdeep.sodhi at ecoretechnos.com
>>>>>> <mailto:ravdeep.sodhi at ecoretechnos.com>>, "Nishant Johar (EMOBX)"
>>>>>> <nj at emobx.com <mailto:nj at emobx.com>>, Rochak Chauhan
>>>>>> <rochak.chauhan at owasp.org <mailto:rochak.chauhan at owasp.org>>
>>>>>> *Cc:* "Jim Manico (OWASP)" <jim.manico at owasp.org
>>>>>> <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>>, "Eoin Keary (OWASP)"
>>>>>> <eoin.keary at owasp.org <mailto:eoin.keary at owasp.org>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* *OWASP Board decision that I don't agree with*
>>>>>> Friends,
>>>>>> Please see the following full conversation on twitter: 
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/EoinKeary/status/419111748424454145
>>>>>> Eoin Keary and Jim Manico (both OWASP board members) will be
>>>>>> presenting/conducting 4 hrs of free-of-cost AppSec training at the
>>>>>> RSA Conference, 2014. Michael Coates, Chairman of the OWASP Board
>>>>>> is also said to be present. Apparently, this was discussed at the
>>>>>> OWASP board level; and the board has decided to go ahead, keeping
>>>>>> in mind the benefit to the attending developers.
>>>>>> As you are aware, RSA is strongly suspected (we'll never be 100%
>>>>>> sure, I'm afraid) of being complicit with NSA in enabling fatal
>>>>>> weakening of crypto products. RSA has issued a sort of a denial
>>>>>> that only deepens the mistrust. As a protest, many leading
>>>>>> speakers are cancelling their talks at the upcoming RSAC 2014.
>>>>>> Among them are (to my knowledge) Mikko Hypponen, Jeffrey Carr and
>>>>>> Josh Thomas.
>>>>>> At such a time, I am saddened by the OWASP board decision to
>>>>>> support RSAC by their presence. At a time when they had the
>>>>>> opportunity to let the world know how much they care for the
>>>>>> Information Security profession (esp., against weakening crypto);
>>>>>> and how much they care about the privacy of people (against NSA's
>>>>>> unabashed spying on Americans & non-Americans alike), the board
>>>>>> has copped out using a flimsy rationalization ("benefit of (a few)
>>>>>> developers", many of who would rethink their attendance had OWASP
>>>>>> and more organizations didn't blink!"). 
>>>>>> I'm sure there was a heated debate. I'm sure all angles were
>>>>>> considered. However, this goes too deep for me to take it as
>>>>>> "better men than me have considered and decided". As a matter of
>>>>>> my personal values, if the situation doesn't change, I would no
>>>>>> longer wish to continue as the OWASP Chapter Lead. Please let me
>>>>>> know if any of you would like to take over from me. 
>>>>>> I will also share my feelings with fellow chapter members at our
>>>>>> next chapter meeting on Jan 21st. Needless to say, no matter how
>>>>>> things go, I remain committed to the principles of our open and
>>>>>> open-source infosec community.
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> ==Sas3==
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