[Owasp-board] Proposal for new global OWASP mailing-list "owasp-all"

Tobias tobias.gondrom at owasp.org
Fri Feb 14 22:22:30 UTC 2014

Good idea, I like "owasp-community", too.

But have no strong feeling about this.
Any other strong feelings / suggestions regarding the name? 
"owasp-community", "owasp-all", "owasp-world"?

Cheers, Tobias

Ps.: I wouldn't be too concerned about the current use of informal
terms, like "owasp-all" for "all lists". Once a new list exists people
will probably simply adjust their informal termonology, to owasp-all for
the mailing-list and "all-lists" for the latter.

On 14/02/14 22:14, Jim Manico wrote:
> I say call it owasp-community as an opt-in and let anyone join.
> owasp-all is already a term we use for the rare times we message all
> users of all lists.
> Cool idea Tobias...
> --
> Jim Manico
> @Manicode
> (808) 652-3805
> On Feb 14, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org
> <mailto:tobias.gondrom at owasp.org>> wrote:
>> Opt-in works for me as well, too.
>> - Tobias
>> On 14/02/14 20:06, Josh Sokol wrote:
>>> I support the idea of creating an open list for everyone to use but
>>> feel that it should be opt-in rather than opt-out.  I'm fine if that
>>> means offering a check box at the time of membership purchase and
>>> renewal.
>>> On Feb 14, 2014 2:00 PM, "Tobias" <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org
>>> <mailto:tobias.gondrom at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>>     Hello,
>>>     == Proposal ==
>>>     (I post this first to the OWASP board list for initial feedback
>>>     and if the idea catches some general support, we can then either
>>>     just create the list and see how things go or propose a
>>>     discussion of this on the leaders-list.)
>>>     *I propose to create a new mailing-list "owasp-all". *
>>>     *Reasoning:* to open global OWASP discussions to the global
>>>     community, beyond the leaders-list.
>>>     Over the last months and years, I noticed that we had a number
>>>     of discussions on the "leaders-list" that should in fact have
>>>     been open to many more of our members and active contributor as
>>>     well. Like proposing new ideas for projects and initiatives or
>>>     e.g. the discussion about RSA and the OWASP security statement.
>>>     Note: The leaders-list will remain very important and essential
>>>     for all project and chapter leadership questions.
>>>     I just like to enable normal OWASP members and contributors to
>>>     exchange ideas and cooperate across chapter boundaries as well.
>>>     For example it would be nice if OWASP members could coordinate
>>>     worldwide across chapters to start projects and initiatives or
>>>     spontaneously join together for a new OWASP initiative. Some of
>>>     these discussions currently happen informally somewhere in the
>>>     hallway of a conference, or are done on the leaders list and
>>>     then sometimes communicated into the local chapters - or not.
>>>     Which IMHO leaves out the many OWASP members and active
>>>     contributors, who might be interested in joining interesting new
>>>     projects or starting new initiatives or voicing their opinion
>>>     about what OWASP should do in global questions, but who can not
>>>     participate in the discussion directly because they are not
>>>     chapter leaders or project leaders.
>>>     So my proposal is to create a new mailing-list:
>>>     *Name: "**owasp-all"*
>>>     (or alternative name ideas: "owasp-owasp", "owasp-world", ...)
>>>     *Scope: **
>>>     *topics in-scope of this mailing-list are new project and
>>>     initiative ideas that are looking for other fellow contributors
>>>     and volunteers and news that are relevant and valuable for the
>>>     global OWASP community. Explicitly out of scope is everything
>>>     that can be discussed in a specific project or chapter or group
>>>     of chapters, and topics that are already covered by the scope of
>>>     any other mailing-list like the governance and project lists.
>>>     And as this is a global mailing-list with potentially a lot of
>>>     subscribers, we ask members to be very cautious and conservative
>>>     in posting there and follow the scope definition very carefully.
>>>     Furthermore, please refrain from cross-posting to this
>>>     mailing-list. And be considerate whether you really need to
>>>     reply to the whole list of thousands of people if e.g. you just
>>>     want to sign up to a new initiative. A direct reply to the
>>>     person who sent the initial message can spare others a lot of
>>>     email traffic.
>>>     *Target group: **
>>>     *all OWASP leaders, active contributors and those who are
>>>     interested in joining a project or initiative and don't know yet
>>>     which one, OWASP members, and anyone interested in the global
>>>     OWASP community.
>>>     *Sign-up: **
>>>     *The list is free for anyone to subscribe / unsubscribe.
>>>     At the start, I suggest that the list should be pre-filled with
>>>     all members of the leaders-list and all OWASP members (as per
>>>     the membership list) with the option to unsubscribe like from
>>>     any other free mailing-list.
>>>     Going forward I propose to add a flag at the membership renewal
>>>     form (i.e. when you pay your membership fee) that you want to be
>>>     on the global "OWASP-all" mailing-list (with the default setting
>>>     to be "yes").
>>>     And I would appreciate if we could send an email to all chapter
>>>     mailing-lists to inform people there about this new global OWASP
>>>     community mailing-list which is open to everyone.
>>>     Please note that I don't know whether we would need a board vote
>>>     for this mailing-list to be created or could just do it.
>>>     So I err on the side of caution and ask for feedback and
>>>     possibly a board vote for approval.
>>>     All the best,
>>>     Tobias
>>>     Tobias Gondrom
>>>     OWASP Global Board Member
>>>     OWASP CISO Survey Project Lead
>>>     email: tobias.gondrom at owasp.org <mailto:tobias.gondrom at owasp.org>
>>>     mobile: +852 56002975 <tel:%2B852%2056002975>
>>>     mobile: +44 7521003005 <tel:%2B44%207521003005>
>>>     skype: tgondrom
>>>     twitter: @tgondrom
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