[Owasp-board] Comments sent off list

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Wed Feb 5 20:33:26 UTC 2014

+1 Josh.

There have been times when I was having a private conversation with a 
board member when they responded by CC'ing in the rest of the board. I 
think I've done this myself a few times as well. It's a fairly nasty 
move, one that I'd like to avoid doing or receiving in the future.

But your comment is right on, Josh. Anytime we are having conversations 
off list, we should check our motivations. Error on the side of 
transparency. It's tough, but it's our mission.

No one said that being a board member is easy because it's not. 
Especially in a community that is as complex as ours.

+1 Josh,

> I will say here that instances where comments are sent off list should 
> be extremely few and far between.  We, the Board, are elected 
> representatives and our actions should be performed for open analysis 
> by our voting constituents (the OWASP membership).  I feel that the 
> real line here is between "I'm keeping this confidential for the 
> benefit of someone else" vs "I'm keeping this confidential for the 
> benefit of myself".  With the former, I think that exceptions can be 
> made in order to facilitate communications with others who do not want 
> to go on record.  That said, the latter is typically an indication of 
> an attempt to hide something or shield yourself from judgement.  It's 
> a likely sign that you should reconsider whether it's worth saying at 
> all.  Perhaps this is an oversimplification, but I generally subscribe 
> to the idea that a man who has nothing to hide, has nothing to fear.  
> In short, I will seek to use the lists and shy away from private 
> communications as much as possible, but do respect others rights to 
> privacy.
> ~josh
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Michael Coates 
> <michael.coates at owasp.org <mailto:michael.coates at owasp.org>> wrote:
>     All,
>     By design our mailing list are all public. This is part of our
>     open organization and something I support. I continue to encourage
>     to always use the public lists for all official communications.
>     However, the public lists also creates scenarios where people may
>     wish to communicate off list and not have their comments public
>     and archived. Although we are an open organization I think this is
>     an unavoidable situation and a normal element of human communication.
>     While I think we should always default to the list, I also think
>     that whenever a thread is started off a list, we should honor the
>     sender and keep that thread off list.
>     More specifically, this means that if we eventually want to bring
>     the topic to a public thread, it is respectful to not just
>     directly forward the entire thread. Instead craft a new email to
>     the list with the necessary info for discussion.
>     --
>     Michael Coates
>     @_mwc
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