[Owasp-board] Member Nation Portal

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Mon Apr 7 16:22:52 UTC 2014


Fair comment from Sarah. When I logged into Ning yesterday, she was one 
of the "featured profiles" on the main page.

FWIW,
Jim

On 4/7/14, 9:02 AM, Sarah Baso wrote:
> I am online reviewing all the questions now and will provide a 
> consolidated response as soon as I can.  Josh, FWIW, I have not only 
> logged into NING but made posts to it, so I don't think its fair to 
> say none of the staff has awareness of it.
>
> Sarah
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 6:55 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org 
> <mailto:josh.sokol at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>     http://myowasp.force.com
>
>     Based on your experience with Meetup, Tom, I'd be especially
>     interested in what you have to say about it's features vs what
>     Meetup has to offer.
>
>     Another thought on this...being that we pride ourselves on being
>     open, why is the first thing people see when trying to access our
>     social media platform a login page?
>
>     ~josh
>
>
>     On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org
>     <mailto:tomb at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>         Who is in the Alpha testing group?  Would be great to have a
>         preview ....
>
>         On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Jim Manico
>         <jim.manico at owasp.org <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>         > Michael,
>         >
>         > This is why I want to caution the team that it's very likely
>         the the
>         > community will not use the social features of the new
>         portal. I could be
>         > wrong, it's just a polite warning to consider.
>         >
>         > Now, if the SalesForce features are being used for finance
>         management (pay
>         > for events, pay for membership, etc) I'm all for it. We need
>         a more robust
>         > payment system. I just don't think new social features will
>         stick.
>         >
>         > - Jim
>         >
>         >
>         > On 4/6/14, 8:09 PM, Josh Sokol wrote:
>         >
>         > To a large extent I agree with you.  The key difference here
>         is that we are
>         > talking about replacing an existing platform with over 300
>         participants for
>         > a brand new, sub-par, social media experience.  We've had
>         enough issues
>         > getting members to use social media in general, why would we
>         want to roll
>         > with anuything with such limited functionality and flexibility?
>         >
>         > I have followed up with Sarah and she said she will provide
>         an update
>         > tomorrow.
>         >
>         > On Apr 6, 2014 9:48 PM, "Michael Coates"
>         <michael.coates at owasp.org <mailto:michael.coates at owasp.org>>
>         wrote:
>         >>
>         >> I wouldn't be concerned. When evaluating many products the
>         evaluation does
>         >> not require a demo for every system. If the motivation was
>         to centralize and
>         >> integrate with sales force then I'd expect that to be a top
>         requirement and
>         >> consideration.
>         >>
>         >> But again, we should let Sarah update us.
>         >>
>         >> On Apr 6, 2014 7:13 PM, "Josh Sokol" <josh.sokol at owasp.org
>         <mailto:josh.sokol at owasp.org>> wrote:
>         >>>
>         >>> Considering that none of them have even logged into the
>         current Ning
>         >>> social media platform, I have to assume that their
>         evaluations were based
>         >>> solely on the functionality that they wanted, rather than
>         what would benefit
>         >>> the OWASP community as a whole.
>         >>>
>         >>> ~josh
>         >>>
>         >>>
>         >>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Michael Coates
>         <michael.coates at owasp.org <mailto:michael.coates at owasp.org>>
>         >>> wrote:
>         >>>>
>         >>>> I know there is a ton of integration into our existing
>         sales force data
>         >>>> and many other benefits when Sarah and team evaluated.
>         I'll wait for Sarah's
>         >>>> update and thoughts.
>         >>>>
>         >>>> On Apr 6, 2014 4:35 PM, "Josh Sokol"
>         <josh.sokol at owasp.org <mailto:josh.sokol at owasp.org>> wrote:
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>> Last week I spent some time with Kate going through the
>         functionality
>         >>>>> and features of the Salesforce Communities and I have to
>         say that I'm a bit
>         >>>>> disgruntled.  For two years now we've had the
>         http://my.owasp.org Ning site
>         >>>>> with way more features and over 300 members and now we
>         want to move to this
>         >>>>> Salesforce portal thing?  Maybe if some of the staff
>         took the time to use
>         >>>>> the existing social media platform, then they would
>         realize just how much
>         >>>>> this Salesforce one sucks.  And I'm working on the
>         conversion to Ning 3.0
>         >>>>> right now which adds a ton of additional features as well
>         >>>>> (http://myowasp2.ning.com).  It looks better, works
>         better, and already has
>         >>>>> some level of backing from our membership.  Why would we
>         roll out a lesser
>         >>>>> version of what we already have?  I went into this with
>         the hopes that the
>         >>>>> new platform would blow Ning out of the water and I
>         could get rid of it, but
>         >>>>> I left feeling like we should still maintain the Ning
>         platform because
>         >>>>> Salesforce just doesn't have the features necessary to
>         be usable.  Simple
>         >>>>> things like rich text formatting, user messaging, photo
>         sharing, video
>         >>>>> sharing, etc.  If we had nothing, then it would work,
>         but why anyone would
>         >>>>> prefer Salesforce over Ning is beyond me.  In addition,
>         I'll note that the
>         >>>>> "Logout" link in this Salesforce portal does not exist
>         on every page which
>         >>>>> makes it difficult for users to log out and can become a
>         security issue.
>         >>>>> Needless to say, this is very frustrating.
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>> ~josh
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>>
>         >>>>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Jim Manico
>         <jim.manico at owasp.org <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>>
>         >>>>> wrote:
>         >>>>>>
>         >>>>>> Sarah/Michael,
>         >>>>>>
>         >>>>>> The original proposal for the member nation portal
>         discussed that it
>         >>>>>> would manage "event types, memberships, and donations
>         as well as an
>         >>>>>> integrated eCommerce solution". This is awesome. I
>         think will be a great
>         >>>>>> thing for the community and staff.
>         >>>>>>
>         >>>>>>
>         https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/document/d/1yDTFCdmmZN3t732sqHTOFHMhQrXgUC46YbgDhGROcXM/edit?pli=1
>         >>>>>> Did we also plan to use this for application
>         security/wiki content or
>         >>>>>> for OWASP project management? We never discussed that
>         when we voted on the
>         >>>>>> member nation proposal. I though the portal was mostly
>         going to be for
>         >>>>>> eCommerce streamlining, like the proposal said.
>         >>>>>>
>         >>>>>> Has the scope grown? Sarah, can you give the board an
>         update on the
>         >>>>>> member nation portal and what it's purpose will be? I
>         see from recent email
>         >>>>>> that we plan to use it for project management? What
>         will that look like?
>         >>>>>> Thanks all, Jim
>         >>>>>>
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