[Owasp-board] Member Nation Portal

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Mon Apr 7 03:25:46 UTC 2014


This is why I want to caution the team that it's very likely the the 
community will not use the social features of the new portal. I could be 
wrong, it's just a polite warning to consider.

Now, if the SalesForce features are being used for finance management 
(pay for events, pay for membership, etc) I'm all for it. We need a more 
robust payment system. I just don't think new social features will stick.

- Jim

On 4/6/14, 8:09 PM, Josh Sokol wrote:
> To a large extent I agree with you.  The key difference here is that 
> we are talking about replacing an existing platform with over 300 
> participants for a brand new, sub-par, social media experience.  We've 
> had enough issues getting members to use social media in general, why 
> would we want to roll with anuything with such limited functionality 
> and flexibility?
> I have followed up with Sarah and she said she will provide an update 
> tomorrow.
> On Apr 6, 2014 9:48 PM, "Michael Coates" <michael.coates at owasp.org 
> <mailto:michael.coates at owasp.org>> wrote:
>     I wouldn't be concerned. When evaluating many products the
>     evaluation does not require a demo for every system. If the
>     motivation was to centralize and integrate with sales force then
>     I'd expect that to be a top requirement and consideration.
>     But again, we should let Sarah update us.
>     On Apr 6, 2014 7:13 PM, "Josh Sokol" <josh.sokol at owasp.org
>     <mailto:josh.sokol at owasp.org>> wrote:
>         Considering that none of them have even logged into the
>         current Ning social media platform, I have to assume that
>         their evaluations were based solely on the functionality that
>         they wanted, rather than what would benefit the OWASP
>         community as a whole.
>         ~josh
>         On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Michael Coates
>         <michael.coates at owasp.org <mailto:michael.coates at owasp.org>>
>         wrote:
>             I know there is a ton of integration into our existing
>             sales force data and many other benefits when Sarah and
>             team evaluated. I'll wait for Sarah's update and thoughts.
>             On Apr 6, 2014 4:35 PM, "Josh Sokol" <josh.sokol at owasp.org
>             <mailto:josh.sokol at owasp.org>> wrote:
>                 Last week I spent some time with Kate going through
>                 the functionality and features of the Salesforce
>                 Communities and I have to say that I'm a bit
>                 disgruntled.  For two years now we've had the
>                 http://my.owasp.org Ning site with way more features
>                 and over 300 members and now we want to move to this
>                 Salesforce portal thing?  Maybe if some of the staff
>                 took the time to use the existing social media
>                 platform, then they would realize just how much this
>                 Salesforce one sucks.  And I'm working on the
>                 conversion to Ning 3.0 right now which adds a ton of
>                 additional features as well
>                 (http://myowasp2.ning.com). It looks better, works
>                 better, and already has some level of backing from our
>                 membership.  Why would we roll out a lesser version of
>                 what we already have? I went into this with the hopes
>                 that the new platform would blow Ning out of the water
>                 and I could get rid of it, but I left feeling like we
>                 should still maintain the Ning platform because
>                 Salesforce just doesn't have the features necessary to
>                 be usable.  Simple things like rich text formatting,
>                 user messaging, photo sharing, video sharing, etc.  If
>                 we had nothing, then it would work, but why anyone
>                 would prefer Salesforce over Ning is beyond me.  In
>                 addition, I'll note that the "Logout" link in this
>                 Salesforce portal does not exist on every page which
>                 makes it difficult for users to log out and can become
>                 a security issue.  Needless to say, this is very
>                 frustrating.
>                 ~josh
>                 On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Jim Manico
>                 <jim.manico at owasp.org <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>>
>                 wrote:
>                     Sarah/Michael,
>                     The original proposal for the member nation portal
>                     discussed that it would manage "event types,
>                     memberships, and donations as well as an
>                     integrated eCommerce solution". This is awesome. I
>                     think will be a great thing for the community and
>                     staff.
>                     https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/document/d/1yDTFCdmmZN3t732sqHTOFHMhQrXgUC46YbgDhGROcXM/edit?pli=1
>                     Did we also plan to use this for application
>                     security/wiki content or for OWASP project
>                     management? We never discussed that when we voted
>                     on the member nation proposal. I though the portal
>                     was mostly going to be for eCommerce streamlining,
>                     like the proposal said.
>                     Has the scope grown? Sarah, can you give the board
>                     an update on the member nation portal and what
>                     it's purpose will be? I see from recent email that
>                     we plan to use it for project management? What
>                     will that look like?
>                     Thanks all, Jim
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