[Owasp-board] OWASP Community Vote - Board Review

Eoin Keary eoin.keary at owasp.org
Wed Apr 2 18:34:09 UTC 2014


I've ran or helped run a chapter for 9 years now. I believe a community vote is the best approach.

Eoin Keary
Owasp Global Board
+353 87 977 2988


On 2 Apr 2014, at 16:16, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:

> No offense meant, but this is spoken like a guy who has not run a chapter.  Quite frequently our leaders are presented with opportunities.  Many of these opportunities, while backed by commercial interests, are offered for free or at significantly reduced cost to OWASP members.  Passing those opportunities along to members does not imply support of a vendor, merely that an opportunity exists that could provide value.  If you want to add a disclaimer at the bottom of messages saying that the OWASP Foundation does not endorse product or services, then I have no issue with that, other than how you're ever going to actually enforce it.  The only issue with being vendor agnostic comes if a leader is excluding one vendor, but allowing another in similar circumstances.  Do you have examples where this is the case?  
> 
> My thought is that if we are going to generate a rule on this, it should be that commericial SPAM from any vendor is not allowed on the mailing lists, but it can be sent to the chapter leader for review and to pass along if it provides value to our membership.  A great example is the Innotech Conference that comes to Austin annually.  It's definitely a commercial, for-profit, venture, but each year they provide us with a free attendance code to provide to our membership.  It definitely provides value as they have lots of technology tracks and even a security track there.  Why would I not want to provide my membership with that opportunity just because it is backed by a company that makes money?  
> 
> I don't agree with the "let's make exceptions" approach either.  Too much red tape for something that should be in our leaders hands anyway.  We should trust our leadership to do the right thing, but have a process in place to handle when they don't.
> 
> ~josh
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>> I tend to agree with Eoin on this point. We really need to limit any appearance of commercial activity.  I would support a rule where "no commercial spamming on OWASP lists" is the norm. We would have the make exceptions such as ads in the the newsletter and similar...
>> 
>> Before making this call I think we should talk to the other chapter leaders in regards to what they think about this.
>> 
>> - Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/1/14, 8:57 AM, Eoin Keary wrote:
>>> We don't want to jeopardise out charity status by promoting commercial activities. A rule helps prevent that. A community vote help establish the rule.
>>> Just sayin...
>>> 
>>> Eoin Keary
>>> Owasp Global Board
>>> +353 87 977 2988
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1 Apr 2014, at 19:04, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Sure.  But sometimes chapters only have one person at the helm.  And if the leader is being selective without a good reason, then hopefully that gets brought to the attention of our staff or the Board and we can handle it.  I don't think this is an issue until it is an issue.
>>>> 
>>>> ~josh
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Eoin Keary <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>> There may be conflict of interest/bias at play if decision issue by 1 person.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eoin Keary
>>>>> Owasp Global Board
>>>>> +353 87 977 2988
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 1 Apr 2014, at 17:12, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> My personal feeling is that any advertisements should be sent to the chapter leader and not to the list.  The chapter leader then has the responsibility to decide if the offer is of value to the members and whether to pass it along or not.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Fabio Cerullo <fcerullo at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> hi there,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm going to submit a community vote to the leaders list this Friday 4th April.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> OWASP "No-Advertising"                                         Policy
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At present our rules are not                                       clear on commercial advertising through the OWASP mailing lists and some chapters allow this and others don't.  It has been suggested to have a "no advertising" policy on all of our mailing lists.  So then the question is "what is advertising?"  Any commercial activity such as                                       training, consulting services, or paid conferences. These activities have to be reviewed and handled by OWASP HQ before posting them to the mailing lists.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/forms/d/1R_u0eRFsc5VQpmcWelUfck5hDuLPsmEpA_jDHKu87Qk/viewform
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Your comments are welcome. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Fabio
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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