[Owasp-board] OWASP Community Vote - Board Review

Dennis Groves dennis.groves at owasp.org
Wed Apr 2 15:31:46 UTC 2014


That said, I do have a general allergic reaction to all marketing and think
it should die with prejudice. So I do agree it requires control - I am
inclined to implement Josh's method  for the Phoenix Chapter, it seems like
a good logical compromise between the two extremes.


On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org>wrote:

> +1 Josh, it couldn't have been said better.
>
> Phoenix chapter participants are con junkies and we would have to close
> our chapter to stop talking about the other con's - and I recon the guys
> would still gather at the bar to discuss what the next con's to attend are.
> There is no doubt that this is commercial; hell OWASP even has
> cross-advertising agreements with some of them; so we are compelled to
> inform people about them.
>
> One Size does not fit all.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> No offense meant, but this is spoken like a guy who has not run a
>> chapter.  Quite frequently our leaders are presented with opportunities.
>> Many of these opportunities, while backed by commercial interests, are
>> offered for free or at significantly reduced cost to OWASP members.
>> Passing those opportunities along to members does not imply support of a
>> vendor, merely that an opportunity exists that could provide value.  If you
>> want to add a disclaimer at the bottom of messages saying that the OWASP
>> Foundation does not endorse product or services, then I have no issue with
>> that, other than how you're ever going to actually enforce it.  The only
>> issue with being vendor agnostic comes if a leader is excluding one vendor,
>> but allowing another in similar circumstances.  Do you have examples where
>> this is the case?
>>
>> My thought is that if we are going to generate a rule on this, it should
>> be that commericial SPAM from any vendor is not allowed on the mailing
>> lists, but it can be sent to the chapter leader for review and to pass
>> along if it provides value to our membership.  A great example is the
>> Innotech Conference that comes to Austin annually.  It's definitely a
>> commercial, for-profit, venture, but each year they provide us with a free
>> attendance code to provide to our membership.  It definitely provides value
>> as they have lots of technology tracks and even a security track there.
>> Why would I not want to provide my membership with that opportunity just
>> because it is backed by a company that makes money?
>>
>> I don't agree with the "let's make exceptions" approach either.  Too much
>> red tape for something that should be in our leaders hands anyway.  We
>> should trust our leadership to do the right thing, but have a process in
>> place to handle when they don't.
>>
>> ~josh
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>>  I tend to agree with Eoin on this point. We really need to limit any
>>> appearance of commercial activity.  I would support a rule where "no
>>> commercial spamming on OWASP lists" is the norm. We would have the make
>>> exceptions such as ads in the the newsletter and similar...
>>>
>>> Before making this call I think we should talk to the other chapter
>>> leaders in regards to what they think about this.
>>>
>>> - Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/1/14, 8:57 AM, Eoin Keary wrote:
>>>
>>> We don't want to jeopardise out charity status by promoting commercial
>>> activities. A rule helps prevent that. A community vote help establish the
>>> rule.
>>> Just sayin...
>>>
>>> Eoin Keary
>>> Owasp Global Board
>>> +353 87 977 2988
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 Apr 2014, at 19:04, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Sure.  But sometimes chapters only have one person at the helm.  And
>>> if the leader is being selective without a good reason, then hopefully that
>>> gets brought to the attention of our staff or the Board and we can handle
>>> it.  I don't think this is an issue until it is an issue.
>>>
>>>  ~josh
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Eoin Keary <eoin.keary at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  There may be conflict of interest/bias at play if decision issue by 1
>>>> person.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eoin Keary
>>>> Owasp Global Board
>>>> +353 87 977 2988 <%2B353%2087%20977%202988>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1 Apr 2014, at 17:12, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   My personal feeling is that any advertisements should be sent to the
>>>> chapter leader and not to the list.  The chapter leader then has the
>>>> responsibility to decide if the offer is of value to the members and
>>>> whether to pass it along or not.
>>>>
>>>>  ~josh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Fabio Cerullo <fcerullo at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>>  I'm going to submit a community vote to the leaders list this Friday
>>>>> 4th April.
>>>>>
>>>>>  *OWASP "No-Advertising" Policy*
>>>>>
>>>>>  At present our rules are not clear on commercial advertising through
>>>>> the OWASP mailing lists and some chapters allow this and others don't.  It
>>>>> has been suggested to have a "no advertising" policy on all of our mailing
>>>>> lists.  So then the question is "what is advertising?"  Any commercial
>>>>> activity such as training, consulting services, or paid conferences. These
>>>>> activities have to be reviewed and handled by OWASP HQ before posting them
>>>>> to the mailing lists.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/forms/d/1R_u0eRFsc5VQpmcWelUfck5hDuLPsmEpA_jDHKu87Qk/viewform
>>>>>
>>>>>  Your comments are welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Thanks
>>>>> Fabio
>>>>>
>>>>>
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