[Owasp-board] OWASP Community Vote - Board Review
josh.sokol at owasp.org
Wed Apr 2 15:21:50 UTC 2014
I have no issues with presenting a vote or otherwise to the leaders, but I
don't think that Fabio's poll presents what I've said above (the current
rule) appropriately. Options should be:
1) Absolutely under no circumstances should commercial advertising be
allowed on the mailing lists for any reason.
2) Commercial advertising on the mailing lists should be allowed as long as
the communication has been vetted by chapter leadership in advance for
value and appropriateness.
3) Commercial advertisements should be allowed on mailing lists in order to
ensure that all vendors have an equal opportunity to promote their products
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
> No offense meant, but this is spoken like a guy who has not run a
> chapter. Quite frequently our leaders are presented with opportunities.
> Many of these opportunities, while backed by commercial interests, are
> offered for free or at significantly reduced cost to OWASP members.
> Passing those opportunities along to members does not imply support of a
> vendor, merely that an opportunity exists that could provide value. If you
> want to add a disclaimer at the bottom of messages saying that the OWASP
> Foundation does not endorse product or services, then I have no issue with
> that, other than how you're ever going to actually enforce it. The only
> issue with being vendor agnostic comes if a leader is excluding one vendor,
> but allowing another in similar circumstances. Do you have examples where
> this is the case?
> My thought is that if we are going to generate a rule on this, it should
> be that commericial SPAM from any vendor is not allowed on the mailing
> lists, but it can be sent to the chapter leader for review and to pass
> along if it provides value to our membership. A great example is the
> Innotech Conference that comes to Austin annually. It's definitely a
> commercial, for-profit, venture, but each year they provide us with a free
> attendance code to provide to our membership. It definitely provides value
> as they have lots of technology tracks and even a security track there.
> Why would I not want to provide my membership with that opportunity just
> because it is backed by a company that makes money?
> I don't agree with the "let's make exceptions" approach either. Too much
> red tape for something that should be in our leaders hands anyway. We
> should trust our leadership to do the right thing, but have a process in
> place to handle when they don't.
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>> I tend to agree with Eoin on this point. We really need to limit any
>> appearance of commercial activity. I would support a rule where "no
>> commercial spamming on OWASP lists" is the norm. We would have the make
>> exceptions such as ads in the the newsletter and similar...
>> Before making this call I think we should talk to the other chapter
>> leaders in regards to what they think about this.
>> - Jim
>> On 4/1/14, 8:57 AM, Eoin Keary wrote:
>> We don't want to jeopardise out charity status by promoting commercial
>> activities. A rule helps prevent that. A community vote help establish the
>> Just sayin...
>> Eoin Keary
>> Owasp Global Board
>> +353 87 977 2988
>> On 1 Apr 2014, at 19:04, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Sure. But sometimes chapters only have one person at the helm. And
>> if the leader is being selective without a good reason, then hopefully that
>> gets brought to the attention of our staff or the Board and we can handle
>> it. I don't think this is an issue until it is an issue.
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Eoin Keary <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> There may be conflict of interest/bias at play if decision issue by 1
>>> Eoin Keary
>>> Owasp Global Board
>>> +353 87 977 2988 <%2B353%2087%20977%202988>
>>> On 1 Apr 2014, at 17:12, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> My personal feeling is that any advertisements should be sent to the
>>> chapter leader and not to the list. The chapter leader then has the
>>> responsibility to decide if the offer is of value to the members and
>>> whether to pass it along or not.
>>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Fabio Cerullo <fcerullo at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>> hi there,
>>>> I'm going to submit a community vote to the leaders list this Friday
>>>> 4th April.
>>>> *OWASP "No-Advertising" Policy*
>>>> At present our rules are not clear on commercial advertising through
>>>> the OWASP mailing lists and some chapters allow this and others don't. It
>>>> has been suggested to have a "no advertising" policy on all of our mailing
>>>> lists. So then the question is "what is advertising?" Any commercial
>>>> activity such as training, consulting services, or paid conferences. These
>>>> activities have to be reviewed and handled by OWASP HQ before posting them
>>>> to the mailing lists.
>>>> Your comments are welcome.
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