[Owasp-board] OWASP Board Meetings - scheduling of calls for next year - could you please include Asia timezones in consideration

Sarah Baso sarah.baso at owasp.org
Sat Nov 9 03:52:46 UTC 2013


Thanks jim!!

> On Nov 8, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>
> I'm pretty much done with the basic move and merge. Check out: https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Board
>
> I think this is a much better landing page for the board. If you want anything else done here, just ask.
>
> Cheers,
> Jim
>
>
>> Ditto
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Works for me.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Coates | OWASP | @_mwc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>> Board,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to merge https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Board and https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Board_Meetings. The first is out of date.
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking of merging OWASP_Board_Meetings into https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Board and just redirect the board meeting page into the main board page. The OWASP "about" page links the out of date Board page, this seems like the cleanest merge.
>>>>
>>>> I'll just add the old board content to an "about" tab.
>>>>
>>>> Acceptable all?
>>>> - Jim
>>>>
>>>>> FYI - Bylaws updated and added to wiki:
>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Foundation_ByLaws
>>>>>
>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, we formally voted on this change in the europe board meeting and
>>>>>> bylways should be updated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eoin, as scribe* can you update the bylaws per this vote. I see we do have
>>>>>> the vote already recorded in our voting history here:
>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Board_Votes (August 19, 2013)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * I think we should rename the secretary role to scribe. It has a nicer
>>>>>> ring to it in my opinion. But, it's just a name and an important role
>>>>>> regardless of name choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Michael Coates | OWASP | @_mwc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just to point out a technicality here....the OWASP Foundation Bylaws do
>>>>>>> say that the Board should have regular meetings monthly (Section 3.03).  If
>>>>>>> the majority of the new Board would still like to do quarterly, then
>>>>>>> perhaps it would make sense to amend the bylaws?  Michael, can we add this
>>>>>>> as an agenda item to the 11/22 meeting?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm still very much in favor of the quarterly board meetings (plus they
>>>>>>>> did pass by vote so others agree). We had tremendous value from a larger
>>>>>>>> time slot in Europe. However, if after trying a few we find we aren't
>>>>>>>> getting results then lets revisit and revise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree with Josh's points on trying to maximize the "remote to in
>>>>>>>> person" effect. The challenge is that the conference in-person meetings
>>>>>>>> rotate and we can't easily move large plasma screens. That said, I wonder
>>>>>>>> if it's an option at NYC to rent a higher tech room with better equipment?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the element of required in-person meetings, even though it is not a
>>>>>>>> requirement, we will still get several people in person at large events
>>>>>>>> like this. I think we'll still have many benefits based on different
>>>>>>>> individuals meeting up in person.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Michael Coates | OWASP | @_mwc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Part of the problem may be in how you are conducting those off-site
>>>>>>>>> meetings.  Simply having a phone call probably is not enough.  That said,
>>>>>>>>> at NI, we have large offices in Hungary, Malaysia, and Costa Rica and while
>>>>>>>>> in-person isn't always possible, face-to-face definitely is.  Maybe that's
>>>>>>>>> the difference?  If you're simply using a laptop set up in a hotel suite,
>>>>>>>>> then how face-to-face can you really get?  There is specialized video
>>>>>>>>> conferencing equipment available that gets much close to the in-person
>>>>>>>>> experience than that.  Perhaps it would be worth looking into?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I voted against not having face-to-face meetings, I believe it is
>>>>>>>>>> important to continuity of any  board for any organization in the
>>>>>>>>>> world I tried the remote thing for AppSecEMEA this year as my wife and
>>>>>>>>>> my 4 children needed me so I get it.... but there is much that gets
>>>>>>>>>> accomplished face-to-face that never can be done over a webex.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We'll try at AppSecUSA as a "off-site" meeting after all we are
>>>>>>>>>> "hi-tech association"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Travel is difficult for me since my wife and 4 kids count on me to
>>>>>>>>>> be around
>>>>>>>>>>> quite a bit.  It's why I needed the "in person" rule to be amended
>>>>>>>>>> before I
>>>>>>>>>>> could run for the board.  So, even if you attempt an in-person all
>>>>>>>>>> day at
>>>>>>>>>>> AppSecEU or the like, chances are high that I will still be
>>>>>>>>>> attending it
>>>>>>>>>>> remotely to the best of my ability.  Personally, I would much rather
>>>>>>>>>> fit in
>>>>>>>>>>> 2 hours once a month, than to try to take a whole day every quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We might want to change the 8-hr quarterly meeting and go back to 90
>>>>>>>>>>>> minute monthly meeting or the like. It will be impossible to please
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawaii, East coast US, Asia and European time zones with a 8-hr
>>>>>>>>>>>> quarterly meeting requirement. :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> PS: Or maybe just have meetings onsite at my house? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Aloha Tobias!
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Manico
>>>>>>>>>>>> @Manicode
>>>>>>>>>>>> (808) 652-3805
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello dear board members,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am very much looking forward to joining the team and working
>>>>>>>>>> with you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the best of our OWASP community. And will be great to see you
>>>>>>>>>> in two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> weeks at AppSecUS in NY!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a small request:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it seems I will be the first board member based in the Asia
>>>>>>>>>> region,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when planning the schedule of board calls for the next year,
>>>>>>>>>> could you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> please include in your considerations for scheduling the Asia
>>>>>>>>>> timezones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no problem to go on calls at very long hours for OWASP,
>>>>>>>>>> but calls
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from 2:00am to 7:00am HK/China time zone could be really hard for
>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers and all the best, Tobias
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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