[Owasp-board] OWASP Board Meetings - scheduling of calls for next year - could you please include Asia timezones in consideration

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Sat Nov 9 03:13:37 UTC 2013


I'm pretty much done with the basic move and merge. Check out: https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Board

I think this is a much better landing page for the board. If you want anything else done here, just ask.

Cheers,
Jim


> Ditto 
> 
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>> On Nov 8, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Works for me.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Coates | OWASP | @_mwc
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> Board,
>>>
>>> I'd like to merge https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Board and https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Board_Meetings. The first is out of date.
>>>
>>> I am thinking of merging OWASP_Board_Meetings into https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Board and just redirect the board meeting page into the main board page. The OWASP "about" page links the out of date Board page, this seems like the cleanest merge.
>>>
>>> I'll just add the old board content to an "about" tab.
>>>
>>> Acceptable all?
>>> - Jim
>>>
>>>> FYI - Bylaws updated and added to wiki:
>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Foundation_ByLaws
>>>>
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, we formally voted on this change in the europe board meeting and
>>>>> bylways should be updated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eoin, as scribe* can you update the bylaws per this vote. I see we do have
>>>>> the vote already recorded in our voting history here:
>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Board_Votes (August 19, 2013)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> * I think we should rename the secretary role to scribe. It has a nicer
>>>>> ring to it in my opinion. But, it's just a name and an important role
>>>>> regardless of name choice.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Michael Coates | OWASP | @_mwc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to point out a technicality here....the OWASP Foundation Bylaws do
>>>>>> say that the Board should have regular meetings monthly (Section 3.03).  If
>>>>>> the majority of the new Board would still like to do quarterly, then
>>>>>> perhaps it would make sense to amend the bylaws?  Michael, can we add this
>>>>>> as an agenda item to the 11/22 meeting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm still very much in favor of the quarterly board meetings (plus they
>>>>>>> did pass by vote so others agree). We had tremendous value from a larger
>>>>>>> time slot in Europe. However, if after trying a few we find we aren't
>>>>>>> getting results then lets revisit and revise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with Josh's points on trying to maximize the "remote to in
>>>>>>> person" effect. The challenge is that the conference in-person meetings
>>>>>>> rotate and we can't easily move large plasma screens. That said, I wonder
>>>>>>> if it's an option at NYC to rent a higher tech room with better equipment?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the element of required in-person meetings, even though it is not a
>>>>>>> requirement, we will still get several people in person at large events
>>>>>>> like this. I think we'll still have many benefits based on different
>>>>>>> individuals meeting up in person.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Michael Coates | OWASP | @_mwc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Part of the problem may be in how you are conducting those off-site
>>>>>>>> meetings.  Simply having a phone call probably is not enough.  That said,
>>>>>>>> at NI, we have large offices in Hungary, Malaysia, and Costa Rica and while
>>>>>>>> in-person isn't always possible, face-to-face definitely is.  Maybe that's
>>>>>>>> the difference?  If you're simply using a laptop set up in a hotel suite,
>>>>>>>> then how face-to-face can you really get?  There is specialized video
>>>>>>>> conferencing equipment available that gets much close to the in-person
>>>>>>>> experience than that.  Perhaps it would be worth looking into?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I voted against not having face-to-face meetings, I believe it is
>>>>>>>>> important to continuity of any  board for any organization in the
>>>>>>>>> world I tried the remote thing for AppSecEMEA this year as my wife and
>>>>>>>>> my 4 children needed me so I get it.... but there is much that gets
>>>>>>>>> accomplished face-to-face that never can be done over a webex.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We'll try at AppSecUSA as a "off-site" meeting after all we are
>>>>>>>>> "hi-tech association"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Travel is difficult for me since my wife and 4 kids count on me to
>>>>>>>>> be around
>>>>>>>>>> quite a bit.  It's why I needed the "in person" rule to be amended
>>>>>>>>> before I
>>>>>>>>>> could run for the board.  So, even if you attempt an in-person all
>>>>>>>>> day at
>>>>>>>>>> AppSecEU or the like, chances are high that I will still be
>>>>>>>>> attending it
>>>>>>>>>> remotely to the best of my ability.  Personally, I would much rather
>>>>>>>>> fit in
>>>>>>>>>> 2 hours once a month, than to try to take a whole day every quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ~josh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We might want to change the 8-hr quarterly meeting and go back to 90
>>>>>>>>>>> minute monthly meeting or the like. It will be impossible to please
>>>>>>>>>>> Hawaii, East coast US, Asia and European time zones with a 8-hr
>>>>>>>>>>> quarterly meeting requirement. :(
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> PS: Or maybe just have meetings onsite at my house? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Aloha Tobias!
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Manico
>>>>>>>>>>> @Manicode
>>>>>>>>>>> (808) 652-3805
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello dear board members,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am very much looking forward to joining the team and working
>>>>>>>>> with you
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the best of our OWASP community. And will be great to see you
>>>>>>>>> in two
>>>>>>>>>>>> weeks at AppSecUS in NY!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a small request:
>>>>>>>>>>>> As it seems I will be the first board member based in the Asia
>>>>>>>>> region,
>>>>>>>>>>>> when planning the schedule of board calls for the next year,
>>>>>>>>> could you
>>>>>>>>>>>> please include in your considerations for scheduling the Asia
>>>>>>>>> timezones.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no problem to go on calls at very long hours for OWASP,
>>>>>>>>> but calls
>>>>>>>>>>>> from 2:00am to 7:00am HK/China time zone could be really hard for
>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers and all the best, Tobias
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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