[Owasp-board] OWASP Board Meetings - scheduling of calls for next year - could you please include Asia timezones in consideration

Brennan - OWASP tomb at owasp.org
Sat Nov 9 03:12:25 UTC 2013


Ditto 

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> On Nov 8, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org> wrote:
> 
> Works for me.
> 
> 
> --
> Michael Coates | OWASP | @_mwc
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Board,
>> 
>> I'd like to merge https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Board and https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Board_Meetings. The first is out of date.
>> 
>> I am thinking of merging OWASP_Board_Meetings into https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Board and just redirect the board meeting page into the main board page. The OWASP "about" page links the out of date Board page, this seems like the cleanest merge.
>> 
>> I'll just add the old board content to an "about" tab.
>> 
>> Acceptable all?
>> - Jim
>> 
>> > FYI - Bylaws updated and added to wiki:
>> > https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Foundation_ByLaws
>> >
>> > Sarah
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, we formally voted on this change in the europe board meeting and
>> >> bylways should be updated.
>> >>
>> >> Eoin, as scribe* can you update the bylaws per this vote. I see we do have
>> >> the vote already recorded in our voting history here:
>> >> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Board_Votes (August 19, 2013)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> * I think we should rename the secretary role to scribe. It has a nicer
>> >> ring to it in my opinion. But, it's just a name and an important role
>> >> regardless of name choice.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Michael Coates | OWASP | @_mwc
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Just to point out a technicality here....the OWASP Foundation Bylaws do
>> >>> say that the Board should have regular meetings monthly (Section 3.03).  If
>> >>> the majority of the new Board would still like to do quarterly, then
>> >>> perhaps it would make sense to amend the bylaws?  Michael, can we add this
>> >>> as an agenda item to the 11/22 meeting?
>> >>>
>> >>> ~josh
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I'm still very much in favor of the quarterly board meetings (plus they
>> >>>> did pass by vote so others agree). We had tremendous value from a larger
>> >>>> time slot in Europe. However, if after trying a few we find we aren't
>> >>>> getting results then lets revisit and revise.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I agree with Josh's points on trying to maximize the "remote to in
>> >>>> person" effect. The challenge is that the conference in-person meetings
>> >>>> rotate and we can't easily move large plasma screens. That said, I wonder
>> >>>> if it's an option at NYC to rent a higher tech room with better equipment?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On the element of required in-person meetings, even though it is not a
>> >>>> requirement, we will still get several people in person at large events
>> >>>> like this. I think we'll still have many benefits based on different
>> >>>> individuals meeting up in person.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -Michael
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Michael Coates | OWASP | @_mwc
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Part of the problem may be in how you are conducting those off-site
>> >>>>> meetings.  Simply having a phone call probably is not enough.  That said,
>> >>>>> at NI, we have large offices in Hungary, Malaysia, and Costa Rica and while
>> >>>>> in-person isn't always possible, face-to-face definitely is.  Maybe that's
>> >>>>> the difference?  If you're simply using a laptop set up in a hotel suite,
>> >>>>> then how face-to-face can you really get?  There is specialized video
>> >>>>> conferencing equipment available that gets much close to the in-person
>> >>>>> experience than that.  Perhaps it would be worth looking into?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ~josh
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I voted against not having face-to-face meetings, I believe it is
>> >>>>>> important to continuity of any  board for any organization in the
>> >>>>>> world I tried the remote thing for AppSecEMEA this year as my wife and
>> >>>>>> my 4 children needed me so I get it.... but there is much that gets
>> >>>>>> accomplished face-to-face that never can be done over a webex.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> We'll try at AppSecUSA as a "off-site" meeting after all we are
>> >>>>>> "hi-tech association"
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Travel is difficult for me since my wife and 4 kids count on me to
>> >>>>>> be around
>> >>>>>>> quite a bit.  It's why I needed the "in person" rule to be amended
>> >>>>>> before I
>> >>>>>>> could run for the board.  So, even if you attempt an in-person all
>> >>>>>> day at
>> >>>>>>> AppSecEU or the like, chances are high that I will still be
>> >>>>>> attending it
>> >>>>>>> remotely to the best of my ability.  Personally, I would much rather
>> >>>>>> fit in
>> >>>>>>> 2 hours once a month, than to try to take a whole day every quarter.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ~josh
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> We might want to change the 8-hr quarterly meeting and go back to 90
>> >>>>>>>> minute monthly meeting or the like. It will be impossible to please
>> >>>>>>>> Hawaii, East coast US, Asia and European time zones with a 8-hr
>> >>>>>>>> quarterly meeting requirement. :(
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> PS: Or maybe just have meetings onsite at my house? ;-)
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Aloha Tobias!
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>> Jim Manico
>> >>>>>>>> @Manicode
>> >>>>>>>> (808) 652-3805
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2013, at 4:57 AM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Hello dear board members,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I am very much looking forward to joining the team and working
>> >>>>>> with you
>> >>>>>>>>> for the best of our OWASP community. And will be great to see you
>> >>>>>> in two
>> >>>>>>>>> weeks at AppSecUS in NY!
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Just a small request:
>> >>>>>>>>> As it seems I will be the first board member based in the Asia
>> >>>>>> region,
>> >>>>>>>>> when planning the schedule of board calls for the next year,
>> >>>>>> could you
>> >>>>>>>>> please include in your considerations for scheduling the Asia
>> >>>>>> timezones.
>> >>>>>>>>> I have no problem to go on calls at very long hours for OWASP,
>> >>>>>> but calls
>> >>>>>>>>> from 2:00am to 7:00am HK/China time zone could be really hard for
>> >>>>>> me.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers and all the best, Tobias
>> >>>>>>>>>
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