[Owasp-board] Vote by eMail

Michael Coates michael.coates at owasp.org
Tue Jan 15 00:40:05 UTC 2013


Oops, didn't mean to take it off thread.


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Michael Coates | OWASP | @_mwc
michael-coates.blogspot.com


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>wrote:

> I think jumping to stealing is a bit much. This is a suggestion about how
> to leverage funds that are sitting idle. Sure, there are edge cases, we can
> flush this out. But money should be put to use to benefit OWASP, not sit
> around collecting dust.
>
>
>
> -Michael
>
>
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> Michael Coates | OWASP | @_mwc
> michael-coates.blogspot.com
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> Are you really suggesting that OWASP turn into Robin Hood and steal from
>> the chapters that bust their asses to raise funds in order to feed the
>> chapters who do absolutely nothing outside of holding a meeting every now
>> and then?  I'm all for the foundation kicking $500 at these stagnant
>> chapters to see if they can come up with innovative ways to spend it, but I
>> don't think that we should be taking funds from other chapters to do so
>> regardless of how long they've been sitting around.  If you're concerned
>> about stagnant funds, then there are other ways to address those in order
>> to route them back to the Foundation for re-use, but not without exploring
>> the rationale with each chapter as to why they aren't spending their
>> funds.  They could be saving up for something big (a conference?), trying
>> to keep enough to cover expenses for multiple years, or some other reason.
>> In any case, contributions from the chapters should always be entirely
>> optional for this, projects, or any other non-chapter endeavor.
>>
>> ~josh
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> What about the idea of moving this to an initiative? An idea:
>>>
>>> 1. Unused chapter funds go into this pool. Unused funds = no chapter
>>> funds use for 12 months
>>> 2. Any chapter can contribute to the pool. Successful chapters can
>>> allocate a small amount of funds to help other chapters in need.
>>> 3. Foundations contributes 5 slots of $500 to kick off idea.
>>>
>>> -michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Coates | OWASP | @_mwc
>>> michael-coates.blogspot.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Samantha Groves <
>>> samantha.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think this is a great idea. I would like to see some of the chapters
>>>> start to support projects as well.
>>>>
>>>> Sam G.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Sarah Baso <sarah.baso at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In terms of the 35k allocated in the budget for Marketing, this has
>>>>> already been allocated towards the marketing and graphic designer that we
>>>>> hired for the foundation initiative (based on the RFP distributed in May of
>>>>> last year).
>>>>>
>>>>> The money for investing in chapters and outreach should come out of
>>>>> the OWASP on the Move (line 60) and Chapter Support (line 64) in the 2013
>>>>> budge, which have been allocated $5,000 each.  Link to budget:
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhI4iTO_QojvdEVpZXU4WDRVbFhvM2FuLTU1Mlg3a1E#gid=0
>>>>>
>>>>> This sounds like a good place for some of the chapters with larger
>>>>> buckets of funds to jump in and help support other chapters....
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sarah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Michael Coates <
>>>>> michael.coates at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts inline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok 25k
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's coming from the OWASP marketing bucket that is funded by
>>>>>>> membership funds and sponsorship income.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kate & Sarah, how does this sound with your plans for those funds?
>>>>>> This is line 51. We have 35k budgeted, so 25k would be a large percentage
>>>>>> of that bucket.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need to budget funds for mission outreach and having nothing
>>>>>>> allocated for a a single chapter initiative for chapter startup is
>>>>>>> disappointing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By nature, the chapter split for membership is an investment in our
>>>>>> chapters. I'd be happy to see inactive funds in that area being pooled and
>>>>>> used to support these types of chapter activities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Remember the pie chart effect.  What % of income is re-invested into
>>>>>>> the outreach for chapters. What % is allocated to administrative staff what
>>>>>>> percentage is allocated to It infrastructure etc etc. That will be shown in
>>>>>>> the annual report and 25k is a good number to use but I suspect it will be
>>>>>>> 1/2 of that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, do we have anyone developing this pie chart? Would be good to
>>>>>> clearly see our current state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  OWASP has not had a abuse case in this area and we have the policy
>>>>>>> to manage to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup, no objections on that front at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom Brennan
>>>>>>> International Board of Directors
>>>>>>> *OWASP Foundation*
>>>>>>> O: 973-202-0122
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.owasp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Michael Coates <
>>>>>>> michael.coates at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My first question is regarding the funding of this idea. Where is
>>>>>>> the $500 coming from?
>>>>>>> If we estimate that 25% of the ~200 chapters take advantage of this
>>>>>>> offer, then we have an estimated cost of $25,000.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Michael Coates | OWASP | @_mwc
>>>>>>> michael-coates.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Per the bylaws here is the motion by email again that we did not
>>>>>>>> vote on during 12-Nov-2012 meeting ( *
>>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Nov_12,_2012*<https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Nov_12,_2012>) and
>>>>>>>> we  did not have time today for during the last email thread on
>>>>>>>> Q4-2012 *https://www.owasp.org/index.php/January_14,_2013*<https://www.owasp.org/index.php/January_14,_2013>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Motion:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1.      Provide each officially recognized OWASP Foundation
>>>>>>>> chapter as of 12/31/2013 with a $500.00usd allocation to assist
>>>>>>>> with hosting a meeting(s) in 2013.  What this will do is empower the local
>>>>>>>> chapter and enable them to drive awareness in their region of the
>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a.      Caveats
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i.      Chapters must first use all funds allocated in theirdonation scoreboard before being able to “tap”
>>>>>>>> the $500  *https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Donation_Scoreboard*<https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Donation_Scoreboard>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ii.     Existing policy governs reimbursement: *
>>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_4:_Chapter_Administration#Additional_Expense_Policies
>>>>>>>> *<https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Chapter_Handbook/Chapter_4:_Chapter_Administration#Additional_Expense_Policies>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> iii.    They should be used in Q1 by March 31st  connected to
>>>>>>>> hosting a meeting/promotion of OWASP in the local region or this offer will
>>>>>>>> expire.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     As extremely active chapter leader that does not need the
>>>>>>>>       funds (NY/NJ) this would not affect our local chapter directly hence
>>>>>>>>       instead of abstaining I am voting to approve
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  This and other ideas can be captured at this location for
>>>>>>>> community discussion wisdom of crowds in the future *
>>>>>>>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=204888*<https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=204888>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
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