[Owasp-board] Fwd: IT Director

Martin Knobloch martin.knobloch at owasp.org
Wed Oct 31 18:51:24 UTC 2012


This was stated by Dinis back then, as reply on a job proposal form my side
to Tom, Seba, Jeff and Dinis.
Not an official proposal as I wanted to know first how they thought about
it, before make it an official proposal.


On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>wrote:

> Forwarding. Missed the group.
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>
> Date: Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] IT Director
> To: Martin Knobloch <martin.knobloch at owasp.org>
>
>
> Yes, we should follow normal process.
>
> Job description, public call for applicants, the best applicant will win
> the position.
>
>
> From your email:  Who sent this? I recall some people have this opinion.
> But I'd like to verify if it is more than that.
>
>
> About the payment issues, in 2010, when we where low on OWASP paid staff,
> I had suggested a position. Back then, this was the reply I got:
> "...To make this consistent with the current 'OWASP cannot pay its
> leaders' model, for the duration of the contract, Martin would not be able
> to have any leadership position at OWASP..."
> 1) is this still in the bylaws or any other regulations?
>     Not only tax matters!
> 2) if this is still valid, what is defined as leadership position?
>     E.g. does this only effect Board, Committee members or project and
> chapter leaders as well?
>
> --
> Michael Coates | OWASP | @_mwc
> michael-coates.blogspot.com
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> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Martin Knobloch <
> martin.knobloch at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> Tom, et all,
>>
>> Again, I do totally see the benefit in hiring Matt.
>> But we have to make sure all is done following the applying and, not the
>> least, our own rules and regulations, as for when we hired Sarah!
>> -> if needed, regulation can been changed. As long as we keep following
>> the 'O'!
>> I am totally with Kate in this, what are the regulations for hiring?
>> Previously we had a job description people could apply for. If Matt is the
>> perfect candidate, he will get the job.
>>
>> About the payment issues, in 2010, when we where low on OWASP paid staff,
>> I had suggested a position. Back then, this was the reply I got:
>> "...To make this consistent with the current 'OWASP cannot pay its
>> leaders' model, for the duration of the contract, Martin would not be able
>> to have any leadership position at OWASP..."
>> 1) is this still in the bylaws or any other regulations?
>>     Not only tax matters!
>> 2) if this is still valid, what is defined as leadership position?
>>     E.g. does this only effect Board, Committee members or project and
>> chapter leaders as well?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -martin
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> There is nothing that stops a non-profit in paying staff administrative
>>> fees. This was a choice of owasp board not a tax code issue Martin.
>>>
>>> If Rackspace is cool with its employee being paid as a part time job for
>>> support as a side project great - we have a guy on the inside of where we
>>> are hosted ++
>>>
>>> as we adjust the model with a incentivized task list placing a bounty of
>>> "o" points or cold hard cash is a new area for owasp to tackle but with
>>> good debate we will figure out a balance.
>>>
>>> Tom Brennan
>>> 973-202-0122
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Martin Knobloch <martin.knobloch at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> First of all, I really think Matt is a great guy for this position.
>>>
>>> Just to be sure, I have to ask the following:
>>> There has been a question about that previously. I do not know if that
>>> has to do with an older version of the bylaws. As I understood when this
>>> came up quite some time ago,  this had to do with the regulation for
>>> Non-For-Profit organization in general.
>>> -> Anyhow, I seem to remember that actually no member can (or could
>>> back then?) be paid!
>>>
>>> Sarah, could you verify this?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -martin
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Sarah Baso <sarah.baso at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I guess I assumed ( maybe incorrectly) that we would wait until Jan 1-
>>>> otherwise we will be in violation of section 3.11 of the bylaws.
>>>>
>>>> This is an important separation of duties that I recommend that we
>>>> adhere to.
>>>>
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 31, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Dave Wichers <dave.wichers at owasp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I thought of that. We could wait until Jan 1 to implement the paid
>>>> portion of this activity as he will then not be a board member anymore.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think that might be a good idea.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org [
>>>> mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org<owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org>]
>>>> *On Behalf Of *Seba
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:32 PM
>>>> *To:* Jim Manico
>>>> *Cc:* owasp-board at lists.owasp.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Owasp-board] IT Director
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> good idea.
>>>>
>>>> Just note that this would be our first board member that also has a
>>>> paid position in OWASP
>>>>
>>>> Untill now we refrained from paying board/committee members or
>>>> project/chapter leaders for their time
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --seba
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would like to propose that we hire Matt Tesauro to be our part-time
>>>> IT director for 1k/month.
>>>>
>>>> We need to clarify duties and success criteria, but I think that is
>>>> mostly done.
>>>>
>>>> Matt is such a senior security pro and administrator, as well as being
>>>> a trusted member of OWASP, I feel this would be a very powerful
>>>> addition to OWASP's staff.
>>>>
>>>> I spoke to Matt about this just to see if he would be interested, and
>>>> he said he would like to discuss this with the board and is
>>>> interested.
>>>>
>>>> We still need a wiki admin/developer in addition to Matt's role.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts, folks?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jim Manico
>>>> (808) 652-3805
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