[Owasp-board] [owasp-summit-2013] Moving forward with the Cruise as a Summit Venue

Mark Bristow mark.bristow at owasp.org
Wed Mar 14 21:32:44 UTC 2012


I COMPLETELY agree.  And we'd love to have you on the planning team.

(a crazy idea I had was to have a "hacking" room with a 500,000 lines
of code goal)

-Mark

Sent from my wireless device

On Mar 14, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the clarifications and apologies for being late in the conversation here.
>
> I'd suggest a 12-14 hr  daily agenda to get as much covered as possible.
>
> I'd like to be involved in the agenda if I may. One point of focus is project reboot!! Most of our flagship projects are static and need new blood, roadmap and some energy.
>
>
> On 14 Mar 2012, at 21:16, Mark Bristow <mark.bristow at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> The cruise was the second cheapest option amount all proposals
>> received and provides the best potential for controlling costs (all
>> f&b is included which is by far the most expensive aspect)
>>
>> The ship has a conference center that looks very much like land based
>> options as well as many other options for more intimate meetings.
>> Additionally the ship will only be in port one day of the 6 day 5
>> night trip do there will be ample oppertunity to get work done while
>> Onboard (and I'd hope attendees are dedicated and focused enough while
>> in cazumel to keep focused and not wander).  Certainly not a vacation
>> as we will have an aggressive meeting schedule like previous summits.
>>
>> I'm on my phone now but recommend you look into the previous
>> discussions in the group archive where many of these points were
>> discussed.
>>
>> -Mark
>>
>> Sent from my wireless device
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2012, at 5:02 PM, Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On reflection I do not see any benefit to having our summit on a cruse ship.
>>>
>>> Unless its cheaper to do so or i am missing some compelling reason, otherwise it does sound like a holiday for the "owasp leaders", should we spend charity/members/sponsors money on things which may be perceived in the wrong way?
>>>
>>> Will a week on a cruse ship make the Internet less [in]secure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14 Mar 2012, at 20:38, Mark Bristow <mark.bristow at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll test out a Skype call but I've used very similar gear for vtcs at
>>>> work and it's about a 3 second delay round trip for two way video.
>>>> Expect one way with a small buffer will be fine.
>>>>
>>>> -Mark
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my wireless device
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 14, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Tin Zaw <tin.zaw at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mark,
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not the bandwidth that I worry about. It's the latency and jitter
>>>>> that I worry about. They are more important for audio/visual
>>>>> applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you should check when you take that planned tour of the ship,
>>>>> using the satellite link (as you would when the ship sails), not the
>>>>> terrestrial link.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tin
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Mark Bristow <mark.bristow at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Tin we will have 2.5 Mbps symmetric as planned and can add additional
>>>>>> if we want added cost.  In Portugal we only had 1.5 for the video and
>>>>>> it worked well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my wireless device
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Tin Zaw <tin.zaw at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry to ask this question late, and even more sorry if it has been
>>>>>>> addressed, how good is the ship's Internet access?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe the ship will need to connect to the Internet via satellite.
>>>>>>> It inherently has some delay and possible jitter (variance in delay of
>>>>>>> the packet). This usually is fine for email and web browsing, but
>>>>>>> video/audio apps don't work very well, both in theory and from my
>>>>>>> experience with inflight wi-fi's. We need to make sure that our plans
>>>>>>> for broadcasting will work from the ship. And if we are planning video
>>>>>>> conference, we need to doubly sure of that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just another (of a million) thing to worry about. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Sarah Baso <sarah.baso at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yes to all those things.... have you been tuned in to any of the summit
>>>>>>>> conversations yet? ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Eoin <eoin.keary at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Prime questions:
>>>>>>>>> Does the ship have and support
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Internet access??
>>>>>>>>> Av equipment
>>>>>>>>> Phone coverage
>>>>>>>>> Meeting rooms?
>>>>>>>>> And....
>>>>>>>>> Life jackets!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But connectivity to the web and phone coverage is important. Can we be
>>>>>>>>> guaranteed we have such when out on the sea??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14 Mar 2012, at 19:59, Sarah Baso <sarah.baso at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All -
>>>>>>>>> The Conference Committee discussed the Summit vote results and all
>>>>>>>>> committee members on the call were in agreement (5 of 6 committee members)
>>>>>>>>> to move forward with the Cruise as the next summit venue. They also
>>>>>>>>> discussed that the biggest challenge facing the summit planning team at this
>>>>>>>>> point is the perception that the cruise will be all fun and no work getting
>>>>>>>>> done. So, we will need to do a lot of initial work to overcome this hurdle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    The final record for the survey monkey votes (after a last minute
>>>>>>>>> vote):
>>>>>>>>>      12-Cruise
>>>>>>>>>       11-RHUL
>>>>>>>>>       2-Hawaii
>>>>>>>>>       3- abstain
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The next step is that Mark and I will be going to look at the ship this
>>>>>>>>> weekend to see all of the facilities/layout and take pictures - since the
>>>>>>>>> ship is in port then. This is important before any contracts get signed
>>>>>>>>> locking us in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Additionally, we need a list of individuals who are committed to working
>>>>>>>>> on the team for this venue. There will be an operations team as well as
>>>>>>>>> those who will be working more strategically on generating buzz in the
>>>>>>>>> various industries and topic areas that will make up the working groups.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you are interested in either facet of this, please speak up. I have
>>>>>>>>> already started a wiki page for the event, which needs to be updated (I hope
>>>>>>>>> to get to that in the next day or two)
>>>>>>>>> - https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Summit_2013
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can start growing/generating ideas for the "substance" of the event
>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Sarah Baso
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Sarah Baso <sarah.baso at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The voting record is
>>>>>>>>>> 11 - RHUL
>>>>>>>>>> 11- Cruise
>>>>>>>>>> 2 - Hawaii
>>>>>>>>>> 3 - abstain
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Seba <seba at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am ok with that.
>>>>>>>>>>> For the record: what was the voting result?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --Seba
>>>>>>>>>>> sent from 'smartphone', typo's are mine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2012 4:21 PM, "Sarah Baso" <sarah.baso at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All -
>>>>>>>>>>>> Based on the threads concerning options/availability/preferences... can
>>>>>>>>>>>> we move forward with the cruise option?  There are reservations (dinis,
>>>>>>>>>>>> noted), but we have really passionate supporters of this venue and a game
>>>>>>>>>>>> plan for moving forward.  With all due respect, many people were skeptic's
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Dinis's summit vision in 2010/2011 and it ended up being an amazing
>>>>>>>>>>>> event. Mark has articulated his vision and put the pieces together and is
>>>>>>>>>>>> ready to lead this initiative.  There are definitely many pieces to iron
>>>>>>>>>>>> out, but the sooner we get started with this the better off we will be for
>>>>>>>>>>>> working on the other items.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know if you are ready to be part of the core team for this
>>>>>>>>>>>> venue.  Jim - thanks for your support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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