[Owasp-board] board member/trainer travel reimbursement - vote for clarification

Eoin eoin.keary at owasp.org
Thu Jan 26 14:00:43 UTC 2012


Sounds clean to me.



On 25 January 2012 22:11, Dave Wichers <dave.wichers at owasp.org> wrote:

>  I wouldn’t do it that way. Right now trainers are responsible for their
> own travel expenses and so I think it should remain the same.****
>
> ** **
>
> This means that, in our case for example, the board members can request
> reimbursement for their travel expenses to attend the conference as board
> members, but any extra days there for training cannot be expensed.****
>
> ** **
>
> This is cleaner and simpler.****
>
> ** **
>
> -Dave****
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> *From:* Kate Hartmann [mailto:kate.hartmann at owasp.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:19 PM
> *To:* 'Eoin'
>
> *Cc:* 'Dave Wichers'; 'Michael Coates'; 'OWASP Foundation Board List'
> *Subject:* RE: [Owasp-board] board member/trainer travel reimbursement -
> vote for clarification****
>
>  ** **
>
> Spelling out, specifically, that if the foundation is paying for travel
> and accommodations for the trainer to participate in the event in another
> fashion (i.e. board member, committee representative, etc.) than the
> additional cost of adding the training days would be deducted from the
> trainer revenue.****
>
> ** **
>
> Kate Hartmann****
>
> Operations Director****
>
> 301-275-9403****
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> www.owasp.org ****
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> Skype:  Kate.hartmann1****
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> *From:* Eoin [mailto:eoin.keary at owasp.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2012 4:10 PM
> *To:* Kate Hartmann
> *Cc:* Dave Wichers; Michael Coates; OWASP Foundation Board List
> *Subject:* Re: [Owasp-board] board member/trainer travel reimbursement -
> vote for clarification****
>
> ** **
>
> What amendment??
>
> On 25 Jan 2012, at 20:05, "Kate Hartmann" <kate.hartmann at owasp.org> wrote:
> ****
>
>  I have asked for an amendment to the training agreement.****
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>  ****
>
> Kate Hartmann****
>
> Operations Director****
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> 301-275-9403****
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> www.owasp.org ****
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> Skype:  Kate.hartmann1****
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>  ****
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> *From:* owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
> [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] *On Behalf Of *Dave Wichers
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2012 2:56 PM
> *To:* 'Michael Coates'; 'OWASP Foundation Board List'
> *Subject:* Re: [Owasp-board] board member/trainer travel reimbursement -
> vote for clarification****
>
>  ****
>
> This actually doesn’t affect the conference committee. They aren’t paying
> for any of the travel. This is board/foundation budget only.****
>
>  ****
>
> -Dave****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org
> [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] *On Behalf Of *Michael Coates
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:40 PM
> *To:* OWASP Foundation Board List
> *Subject:* Re: [Owasp-board] board member/trainer travel reimbursement -
> vote for clarification****
>
>  ****
>
> These seem like good ideas.  I like Dave's approach.****
>
>  ****
>
> Since this involves both spending of the board travel budget and also
> impacts the conference committee, I recommend we offer this suggested
> policy to the conference committee and ask for their thoughts and approval.
>  We should continually work to empower our committees.****
>
>  ****
>
> Can we draft up this idea, send it their way and ask for a response within
> 1 week (is that fast enough for your needs Kate?).****
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>  ****
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>  ****
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> Michael Coates****
>
> OWASP****
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> michael.coates at owasp.org****
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>  ****
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> On Jan 24, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Seba wrote:****
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>  ****
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> I agree with Dave's suggestions****
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
> ****
>
> Good conversation and good call from Dave. These kind of sensible and fair
> decisions are crucial in order to rebuild trust with our community.****
>
> --****
>
> Jim Manico****
>
> (808) 652-3805****
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>
> On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Kate Hartmann <kate.hartmann at owasp.org>
> wrote:****
>
>  Thought it best to go directly to the people effected.  The training is
> spelled out well, just fine tuning.
>
> Kate Hartmann****
>
> OWASP Operations Director****
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>  ****
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> On Jan 24, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Thomas Brennan <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:****
>
>  Why is this not a conference committee issue?****
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>  ****
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> Also agree with Dave.****
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> Semper Fi,****
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>  ****
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> Tom Brennan****
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> http://www.linkedin.com/in/tombrennan****
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> 9732020122****
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> On Jan 24, 2012, at 5:48 PM, Matt Tesauro <matt.tesauro at owasp.org> wrote:*
> ***
>
>  Interesting.****
>
>  ****
>
> I tend to agree with Dave on this.  If the board member was going to
> travel to the conference on OWASP dime anyway, the only additional cost to
> the Foundation is the extra hotel days.  Its pretty safe to assume that
> Eoin's air fare two days later (in the example Dave used) would have been
> roughly the same as it is for him to arrive a bit earlier for training.
>  The only additional cost would then be those two days in the hotel.****
>
>  ****
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> So...****
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>  ****
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> I vote "No" on the proposal from Kate****
>
>   and****
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> I vote "Yes" on the alternative proposal from Dave.****
>
>
> --
> -- Matt Tesauro
> OWASP Board Member
> OWASP WTE Project Lead
> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project
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> site****
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> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Dave Wichers <dave.wichers at owasp.org>
> wrote:****
>
> I think the policy should be that the additional costs of staying extra
> for training should be deducted.****
>
>  ****
>
> For example, if Eoin has to fly to the U.S. anyway, that’s covered by
> OWASP. If he then stays for 2 extra days to deliver training, then those
> two extra days of hotel, food, whatever are deducted.****
>
>  ****
>
> So I vote NO as originally proposed. I would vote YES to my suggested
> change.****
>
>  ****
>
> -Dave****
>
>  ****
>
> *From:* owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org [mailto:
> owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] *On Behalf Of *Kate Hartmann
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:56 PM
> *To:* OWASP Foundation Board List
> *Subject:* [Owasp-board] board member/trainer travel reimbursement - vote
> for clarification****
>
>  ****
>
> When a board member is traveling to participate in an OWASP event, their
> travel and accommodations are charged to the foundation, not to the event.
> ****
>
>  ****
>
> I need to clarify what portion of this would be deducted (if any) from
> training revenue due to the board member.  As a general rule, OWASP does
> not cover travel and accommodations for trainers.****
>
>  ****
>
> I propose 50% of the travel cost and the additional accommodation nights
> for the training be covered by the trainer/board member.****
>
>  ****
>
> Please reply yes or no.****
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>  ****
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> Thank you.****
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>  ****
>
> Kate Hartmann****
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> Operations Director****
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> 301-275-9403****
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> www.owasp.org ****
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> Skype:  Kate.hartmann1****
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Eoin Keary
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