[Owasp-board] board member/trainer travel reimbursement - vote for clarification

Eoin eoin.keary at owasp.org
Wed Jan 25 21:10:10 UTC 2012


What amendment??

On 25 Jan 2012, at 20:05, "Kate Hartmann" <kate.hartmann at owasp.org> wrote:

> I have asked for an amendment to the training agreement.
>  
> Kate Hartmann
> Operations Director
> 301-275-9403
> www.owasp.org
> Skype:  Kate.hartmann1
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> From: owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Dave Wichers
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 2:56 PM
> To: 'Michael Coates'; 'OWASP Foundation Board List'
> Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] board member/trainer travel reimbursement - vote for clarification
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> This actually doesn’t affect the conference committee. They aren’t paying for any of the travel. This is board/foundation budget only.
>  
> -Dave
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> From: owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Michael Coates
> Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 1:40 PM
> To: OWASP Foundation Board List
> Subject: Re: [Owasp-board] board member/trainer travel reimbursement - vote for clarification
>  
> These seem like good ideas.  I like Dave's approach.
>  
> Since this involves both spending of the board travel budget and also impacts the conference committee, I recommend we offer this suggested policy to the conference committee and ask for their thoughts and approval.  We should continually work to empower our committees.
>  
> Can we draft up this idea, send it their way and ask for a response within 1 week (is that fast enough for your needs Kate?).
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>  
> Michael Coates
> OWASP
> michael.coates at owasp.org
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> On Jan 24, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Seba wrote:
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> 
> I agree with Dave's suggestions
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> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
> Good conversation and good call from Dave. These kind of sensible and fair decisions are crucial in order to rebuild trust with our community.
> 
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> On Jan 24, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Kate Hartmann <kate.hartmann at owasp.org> wrote:
> 
> Thought it best to go directly to the people effected.  The training is spelled out well, just fine tuning.
> 
> Kate Hartmann
> OWASP Operations Director
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> On Jan 24, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Thomas Brennan <tomb at owasp.org> wrote:
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> Why is this not a conference committee issue?
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> Also agree with Dave.
> 
> Semper Fi,
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> Tom Brennan
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/tombrennan
> 9732020122
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> On Jan 24, 2012, at 5:48 PM, Matt Tesauro <matt.tesauro at owasp.org> wrote:
> 
> Interesting.
>  
> I tend to agree with Dave on this.  If the board member was going to travel to the conference on OWASP dime anyway, the only additional cost to the Foundation is the extra hotel days.  Its pretty safe to assume that Eoin's air fare two days later (in the example Dave used) would have been roughly the same as it is for him to arrive a bit earlier for training.  The only additional cost would then be those two days in the hotel.
>  
> So...
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> I vote "No" on the proposal from Kate
>   and
> I vote "Yes" on the alternative proposal from Dave.
> 
> --
> -- Matt Tesauro
> OWASP Board Member
> OWASP WTE Project Lead
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> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Dave Wichers <dave.wichers at owasp.org> wrote:
> I think the policy should be that the additional costs of staying extra for training should be deducted.
>  
> For example, if Eoin has to fly to the U.S. anyway, that’s covered by OWASP. If he then stays for 2 extra days to deliver training, then those two extra days of hotel, food, whatever are deducted.
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> So I vote NO as originally proposed. I would vote YES to my suggested change.
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> -Dave
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> From: owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org [mailto:owasp-board-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Kate Hartmann
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 4:56 PM
> To: OWASP Foundation Board List
> Subject: [Owasp-board] board member/trainer travel reimbursement - vote for clarification
>  
> When a board member is traveling to participate in an OWASP event, their travel and accommodations are charged to the foundation, not to the event.
>  
> I need to clarify what portion of this would be deducted (if any) from training revenue due to the board member.  As a general rule, OWASP does not cover travel and accommodations for trainers.
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> I propose 50% of the travel cost and the additional accommodation nights for the training be covered by the trainer/board member.
>  
> Please reply yes or no.
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Kate Hartmann
> Operations Director
> 301-275-9403
> www.owasp.org
> Skype:  Kate.hartmann1
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